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This kind of page is probably to take off once WP & WPMU merge so that BP really takes off. This will probably foster things. What things, I don’t know
It’s great to see some improvement already being made. I didn’t know about that site.
Fixed. Sorry about that.
(hu, crap CSS styling in comments, links are almost invisible)
I wholeheartedly agree. Hoping the use of buddy press on WordPress.org will allow some of the community stuff to flourish there, but until we get more consistent posts from Automattic, Non-Employee Core Devs, and other contributors in the ‘know’ we will only be left with deciphering the codex and reading the svn logs.
Sounds like a great idea to me.
How would you make it worthwhile for the contributors?
Wouldn’t a better understanding of the software for the community be its own reward?
Heh… yeah, I’ll enclose that understanding with my rent check!
I would start by using a proper official WordPress forum setup. To be short and to the point, the current BBpress is a shame, and the locals are too.
Too difficult to use. Few answers, if any at all. The official local community (aka the wordpress.org forum) is a shame, more so when compared to smaller projects who are able to have a great support, welcoming, community. In one place, not spread around so thin you can see through it.
Agree with most of your post. But i believe that as long as wordpress is commercially exploited (wordpress.com) it won’t be 100% open source.
Is the 2.9 new image management a priority for wordpress community ?
What is the schedule for BP (BackPress) ? will it become a framework for WP, WPµ, bbPress (which future seems hazardous), BuddyPress ?
BTW if you need to aggregate several feeds on your dashboard, take a look at my plugin dashboard-last-news
> Agree with most of your post. But i believe that as long as wordpress is commercially exploited (wordpress.com) it won’t be 100% open source.
This is one of the most ill-informed opinions I’ve seen in a while. Any open source software worth using is going to be “commercially exploited”. As long as you have access to the OSI-Approved licensed source code its 100% Open Source.
thank you eric !
“Is the 2.9 new image management a priority for wordpress community ?”
Yes, it was a top-requested feature and most voted on in several polls and surveys, and then discussed across dozens of open IRC meetings and on our bug tracker through several iterations.
I am still not familiar with all of wordpress.org content, but i can tell that codex part is really great for me.
I agree with the points that you’re making. Available help is on the light end, with the logic being “hey, it’s free so don’t complain.” I would think that Automatic is really passing on a big opportunity to improve value to the user. Granted, providing that value costs money, so perhaps a small fee per user would be necessary. I don’t know whether I’m a heretic for suggesting that, but I love the platform and think that if reliable support could be obtained, there would be no beating it.
I say let’s base it on WordPress itself. And whatever additional code we have to write to implement it, release it all under the GPL! Plugins, widgets, themes … everything! That way our community site can be co-developed with the community. ^.^
Beyond that though, I think basing it on BuddyPress would be a mistake. BuddyPress is like a build-your-own-walled-garden kit … your WordPress.org account wouldn’t be able to interact with anything else. Let’s find open standards and protocols to build on and then leverage them, shall we?
The decision to use BuddyPress was announced at WordCamp SF 2009, so that should already be underway.
However, I’m wondering why you think that we should have a need for a WP focused community site working with something else, and what that something else might even be?
I know BP supports FB Connect, which while not open is obviously an interaction with an outside service. WP.com is an OpenID provider, and we might hope that it also supports that protocol. But beyond that, I can’t think of anything else that would even be useful.
Should we build our community site to inter-operate with every open source CMS community site?
I feel the same frustration of things being dispersed. A problem I’ve run into (and that this post could run into — although you have a lot of WP authority) is that great ideas get lost.
The thin layer of peanut butter not only makes it difficult to find out what’s going on, but it makes it even harder to be heard. It seems there’s an exclusive WordPress club and unless you’ve made it into the ranks your ideas go unnoticed. For instance, the “WordPress Ideas” section is full of really great ideas that continue to be passed up. My guess is that no one with a loud enough voice made the case to Automattic to implement the idea.
The ideas section gets ignored quite often, however, it is a great source of inspiration for plugin developers!
Want to get noticed? Write useful plugins and/or submit tickets with well written patches on Trac.
I agree with Eric, write plugins that people like to use, you’ll get noticed.
Ideas are cheap and easy. I’ve got plenty to spare. It’s execution what’s difficult.
Dispersion is good. Lots of people writing overlapping content makes it easier to figure stuff out. Someone cracked on the Codex in this thread (iirc); I bashed my head against it myself. Much faster to figure it out and post your own solution than attempt to get something canonized into the Codex. I see the Codex as the “First Word.” It usually but not always tells me what I need. I get the rest from other bloggers solving similar problems.
And when it doubt, read the code. Since they added PHPDOC blocks to almost everything, this became an easier way to discover the hidden secrets of the platform.
Absolutely! PHPXRef is my best friend. I don’t even know php very well either… I end up sort of translating into C or C++: “If this were written in C, what would it be doing?” Then deal with php idiosyncrasies. Like “extract().” *cough*.
I need to add PHPDOC comments to all my code as well. I’d like to say I write totally literate code… and I have been complimented on my style from non-coders, but there’s always room for improvement.
I agree with Patrick here.
Some parts of the WordPress community is also very disorganized. And as mentioned here, everything is wildly scattered and difficult to grasp, especially for beginners.
The community needs to be more welcoming to new users and it needs to be better organized to allowing all kind of users to be a part of it, not just targeted to developers like it is most of the times.
This is a larger problem with Open Source in general, but one that is more a matter of misconception than with actual reality.
It may seem that the community is unwelcoming to newcomers when a new user or non-developer user can’t understand why their pet peeve feature request was denied from being add to the core software. In other words, if you’re not a developer and want WordPress do to something it doesn’t do out of the box then you either need to get your hands dirty in the code, or hire some one to do it for you.
Non-technical people would do well to remember that open source software is usually created to “scratch the itch” of the developer, which just also happens to solve their problem too. WordPress only exists because Matt loved blogging with b2/cafelog and didn’t want to see it die. Its grown into a great piece of software with the help of lots and lots of folks. Could it better? sure. But its pretty damn easy now.
Besides, anything worth doing always requires effort.
Great idea!
Well said!
I know wordpress will be alarm on your post but it is so informative to new users like. I have been on the blogging world few months ago, and this post made a difference from all the blog that i am following.
Keep it up! Believe on what you want to say and I am your back to support you.
I agree with almost everything you say, but then again, the problem isn’t that people don’t think it all needs improving, the problem is that there isn’t a plan with dedicated resources assigned to it. Just as the trac tickets that are strictly UI don’t tend to get attention as readily as the cool/challenging PHP ones, re-doing a web site isn’t most developers’ highest priority (and the users who rate it higher are often not able to participate in things that require solid PHP coding skills).
The answer will have to be a prioritized plan with responsible people assigned to tasks in order for things to get accomplished. I’ve set up a session at WordCamp NYC to jump start some discussion (I know you’ll be there, Jeff), which can seed further online discussion, voting, and sign-up for participation.
Let us know how that goes. No matter what gets built, if Automattic, Core Devs, Plugin Authors and other contributors get behind it and use it as the central point for disseminating information it will be wildly successful.
Its not so much that the community is spread thin, its that information from those in the know are not coordinated in anyway. Its not like we need to set Matt or anyone else as a figure head, but if communications from the core group was done in more of a systematic way a community portal may be less of a concern.
Either way, I can’t wait to participate in the process.
What if one of us make a blog having all our queries or suggestions to improve wordpress? Make a record of our plan to have it on file. This will serve as reference and hope to be develop in the future. All of us here will be happy as wordpress progress on its capabilities.
I would be happy to help in any way I can. I’m more of a front-end coder and designer. We also don’t want to piss off any one, So first step is To ask if they need help. Have we tried that. With a real phone or in person. Not threw e-mail?
I concur with most of every thing from every body. Good job!
I would like a good Feature list of all the default things wordpress can do.
Good release notes for all the updates and a heads up before new releases come out.
“Good release notes for all the updates and a heads up before new releases come out.”
That point would be very helpful for someone like myself. As I’m still maturing in both BP and WP, a heads up before “it” hits the fan is always very welcomed in my camp!
If a community site had one goal this would be it. Well said, Mark.
A comprehensive aggregator as part of the WP portal, similar to what Darren Hoyt has built will be of great help:
http://www.wptopics.com/
S.K