Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:46:05 GMT | Message ID: 5130798
Yay, First participant.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 17:46:55 GMT | Message ID: 5130799
heloo
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 17:47:01 GMT | Message ID: 5130800
hi hi
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 17:47:48 GMT | Message ID: 5130806
Brian here. Hello there
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:48:04 GMT | Message ID: 5130807
Yup.
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 17:48:04 GMT | Message ID: 5130808
yup
 Joetek
2008-12-18 - 17:48:13 GMT | Message ID: 5130809
yup
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:48:27 GMT | Message ID: 5130813
no no it is your fault.
 Jason Schuller
2008-12-18 - 17:48:57 GMT | Message ID: 5130815
feedyourself = Jason Schuller
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 17:49:08 GMT | Message ID: 5130816
I'm just signing in, but I gotta go get some Hot Pockets for the show.
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:49:30 GMT | Message ID: 5130818
I'm diallied in but with no Mic.
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:49:55 GMT | Message ID: 5130819
Better sound quality if you dial in with X-lite. The sound hangs otherwise.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 17:50:02 GMT | Message ID: 5130820
Jeff, you'll probably get a ton of people here
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 17:51:00 GMT | Message ID: 5130827
Whoa.
 yael_k_miller
2008-12-18 - 17:51:01 GMT | Message ID: 5130828
Which is better the call or the streaming audio?
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 17:51:06 GMT | Message ID: 5130830
Don't suppose there's a drinking game setup for this show eh? Every time Matt says GPL do a shot?
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 17:51:07 GMT | Message ID: 5130831
does thind thing has a login limit? im here first :)
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 17:51:22 GMT | Message ID: 5130834
I didn't hear him.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 17:52:22 GMT | Message ID: 5130841
So we shouldn't bother calling in?
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 17:52:35 GMT | Message ID: 5130844
We are the Herne.
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:53:01 GMT | Message ID: 5130849
Are you planning on inventing a new controversy every week?
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 17:53:02 GMT | Message ID: 5130850
Herne is at work and can't stay... he's just causing trouble.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 17:53:19 GMT | Message ID: 5130853
hey Feedyourself, your video themes stink
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 17:53:31 GMT | Message ID: 5130855
lolo
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 17:53:35 GMT | Message ID: 5130856
Is that the Jeremy Clark from the DeltaNet days?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 17:53:40 GMT | Message ID: 5130858
testing 1 2 3 ... chat isn't working for me right now
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 17:53:50 GMT | Message ID: 5130859
oops, now it is
 Jason Schuller
2008-12-18 - 17:53:50 GMT | Message ID: 5130860
thank brian... i know you love me
 jeremyclarke
2008-12-18 - 17:54:04 GMT | Message ID: 5130862
kgarrison nope :P there's another jeremyclark in wp land
 jeremyclarke
2008-12-18 - 17:54:07 GMT | Message ID: 5130864
jeremyclark13
 jeremyclarke
2008-12-18 - 17:54:12 GMT | Message ID: 5130865
i'm jeremyclarkE
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:54:15 GMT | Message ID: 5130866
All the themes in a big GPL pot that Jeff is kindly stirring.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 17:54:16 GMT | Message ID: 5130867
crap, you should have more of them to get mor epeople involved.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 17:54:28 GMT | Message ID: 5130868
Or at least have Matt on every week.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 17:55:03 GMT | Message ID: 5130874
hello :)
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 17:55:07 GMT | Message ID: 5130875
The Matt and Jeffro show?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 17:55:19 GMT | Message ID: 5130876
I'm going to play nice, I promise!
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:55:20 GMT | Message ID: 5130877
Matt Vs Jeffro show
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 17:55:41 GMT | Message ID: 5130878
Matt vs. Jeffro sounds like UFC 92!!!
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 17:56:03 GMT | Message ID: 5130881
Jacop!
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 17:56:08 GMT | Message ID: 5130882
KD!
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 17:56:15 GMT | Message ID: 5130883
yo...
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 17:56:47 GMT | Message ID: 5130886
hey Jamie (Idealean)
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 17:56:54 GMT | Message ID: 5130887
Got my Hot Pocket. You can start the show now.
 Guest 22
2008-12-18 - 17:57:08 GMT | Message ID: 5130892
ASK MATT: Are plugins next since he's weeded themes?
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 17:57:23 GMT | Message ID: 5130893
Hey! If the audio buffering ever finishes, I'll stay around to enjoy this. Otherwise will wait for the streamed version.
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 17:57:42 GMT | Message ID: 5130894
Hope we don't get a Sparticus moment.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 17:57:57 GMT | Message ID: 5130895
I'm getting a lot of dropouts :(
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 17:58:15 GMT | Message ID: 5130896
I second Guest 22's suggestion. Will they start weeding out plugins?
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 17:58:20 GMT | Message ID: 5130897
How's Brian going to dial in from Starbucks... isn't that where he lives?
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 17:58:20 GMT | Message ID: 5130898
Oooh - better - Let's form a Themers Union :P
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 17:58:29 GMT | Message ID: 5130900
lol bbmedia'
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 17:58:36 GMT | Message ID: 5130901
while we're waiting - anyone know what happened last week on wordpress' outage on plugin uploads/downloads?
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 17:58:37 GMT | Message ID: 5130902
KD's actually awake! ;P
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 17:58:44 GMT | Message ID: 5130903
hey Jeff, I'm dialed in
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 17:58:46 GMT | Message ID: 5130904
thanks, herne...
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 17:58:49 GMT | Message ID: 5130905
Themer's Unite!
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 17:58:50 GMT | Message ID: 5130906
Yes, talk to Jeff like he is an idiot.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 17:59:32 GMT | Message ID: 5130908
Tell on-air callers to turn off their audio - it creates an echo
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 17:59:44 GMT | Message ID: 5130909
yeah that's me
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 17:59:53 GMT | Message ID: 5130910
NE Illinois
 Guest 14
2008-12-18 - 17:59:58 GMT | Message ID: 5130911
is it necessary that brian gardner be on the ?
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:00:01 GMT | Message ID: 5130912
do you show someone from Ohio?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:00:30 GMT | Message ID: 5130915
echo?
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:00:35 GMT | Message ID: 5130916
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Turn off the speaker!
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:00:53 GMT | Message ID: 5130917
Imposter!
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:01:00 GMT | Message ID: 5130918
I'm the real Matt Mullenweg!
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:01:04 GMT | Message ID: 5130919
should we ask personal questions so that we can verify that this is Matt?
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:01:07 GMT | Message ID: 5130920
I'm the real Herne
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:01:10 GMT | Message ID: 5130921
I think
 Guest 26
2008-12-18 - 18:01:16 GMT | Message ID: 5130923
lol fake steve jobs
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:01:16 GMT | Message ID: 5130924
I'm the fake Mark E - LOL
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:01:19 GMT | Message ID: 5130925
heheh @ justin
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:01:24 GMT | Message ID: 5130926
Fake herne. :P
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:01:27 GMT | Message ID: 5130927
Do I have to enter my pin# to show up on your caller ID?
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:01:30 GMT | Message ID: 5130928
KW in disguise
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:01:37 GMT | Message ID: 5130930
Ha KD!
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 18:02:46 GMT | Message ID: 5130931
I'm working on it
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:02:52 GMT | Message ID: 5130932
the  number is right at the bottom of the screen and stuff
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:03:25 GMT | Message ID: 5130933
Unless Herne calls... ;P
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:03:34 GMT | Message ID: 5130935
wtf!
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:03:43 GMT | Message ID: 5130936
Jeff, echo dude..
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:03:49 GMT | Message ID: 5130937
is Matt wearing a black turtleneck sweater?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:03:50 GMT | Message ID: 5130938
I'm more than happy to dial off if that makes people happy
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 18:04:20 GMT | Message ID: 5130939
I've been looking forward to a WPWeekly that I don't have to stay up for.
 Pavel Ciorici
2008-12-18 - 18:04:56 GMT | Message ID: 5130940
hello :)
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:05:03 GMT | Message ID: 5130941
I'm always lively!
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 18:05:03 GMT | Message ID: 5130942
@Brian_Gardner - Revolution will probably be held up as an example in several aspects, would be good for you to be able to offer insight.
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 18:05:05 GMT | Message ID: 5130943
hot topic
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:05:17 GMT | Message ID: 5130944
Should I sing a tune for the show?
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:05:23 GMT | Message ID: 5130945
Because we all want to know the answer to the hottest question in the WP community at the moment.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:05:25 GMT | Message ID: 5130946
I know, just a mystery guest asked why I was dialed in
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:05:28 GMT | Message ID: 5130947
@herne not today, man. :P
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:05:31 GMT | Message ID: 5130948
Thanks for having us
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:05:37 GMT | Message ID: 5130949
@KD Hee!
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:05:48 GMT | Message ID: 5130952
Still catchin up on time, KD?
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:05:58 GMT | Message ID: 5130953
nope... catchin' up on work
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:06:13 GMT | Message ID: 5130955
Anyone else have problems with WP.com Stats plugin, and API key, under WP 2.7?
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:06:16 GMT | Message ID: 5130957
Yeah... I need to get back to mine
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:07:04 GMT | Message ID: 5130960
Matt just logged back in.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:07:10 GMT | Message ID: 5130961
maybe he's just scared ;)
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 18:07:14 GMT | Message ID: 5130962
We filled up the room... no more space
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:07:21 GMT | Message ID: 5130964
Work, and trying to stay warm.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:07:30 GMT | Message ID: 5130965
taking care of a 19 month old and a newborn
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:07:39 GMT | Message ID: 5130966
I know where you are, KD
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:07:51 GMT | Message ID: 5130970
I'm busy making clipping paths in photoshop... whee
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:07:54 GMT | Message ID: 5130971
@herne, really? cool.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:07:56 GMT | Message ID: 5130972
I've been sitting in my pajamas, waiting for the show all day
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:08:14 GMT | Message ID: 5130974
lol @Justin
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:08:20 GMT | Message ID: 5130976
Lol - all I have is pajamas :-)
 Guest 27
2008-12-18 - 18:08:35 GMT | Message ID: 5130978
i'm at work and my officemate is being a voyeur about it
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:08:37 GMT | Message ID: 5130979
One of the luxuries of working from home. ;)
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:08:37 GMT | Message ID: 5130980
Of course. Child themes are the future of WordPress.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:08:37 GMT | Message ID: 5130981
That's ok, I'm at the United Center with 15,000 Chicago WordPressers and this is on the loud system
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:08:38 GMT | Message ID: 5130982
I need a new Photography theme
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:08:38 GMT | Message ID: 5130983
@Justin pyjamas and a rum & eggnog? :P
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 18:08:47 GMT | Message ID: 5130985
I had to rush my dinner to get back here on time
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:08:56 GMT | Message ID: 5130987
Hot Pockets and a cold glass of milk.
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:08:56 GMT | Message ID: 5130988
@KD the glory of my work... makin PS paths... and layout
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:09:07 GMT | Message ID: 5130989
What's the topic meant to be, with Matt? Maybe you could intro it, or give out some extra tips on the Child Themes thing :)
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:09:07 GMT | Message ID: 5130990
hows that hot pocket?
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:09:23 GMT | Message ID: 5130991
time to heat the 2nd hotpocket justin
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:09:23 GMT | Message ID: 5130992
He almost said testi ...
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:09:24 GMT | Message ID: 5130993
The Hot Pocket was delightful.
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:09:35 GMT | Message ID: 5130995
Tell people about the new Forum for WP Weekly too :)
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:09:35 GMT | Message ID: 5130996
(this will probably be my one and only WP Weekly, since I'm not usually home/available when you're live)
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:09:39 GMT | Message ID: 5130997
Matt, dial in on the  - forget VoIP.
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:10:39 GMT | Message ID: 5130999
my biggest issue is the ton of "free theme" sites that have malicious code in them.
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:10:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131000
Do you think premium themes could be banned?
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:10:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131001
You gonna define what "GPL" stands for and everything?
 Guest 31
2008-12-18 - 18:11:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131002
is there any way to listen to a lower quality version of this call? i'm getting a lot of skips
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:11:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131003
@KD What's the big idea updating your plugin after I go and install it? Sheesh
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:11:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131005
yes, seems to be a lot of latency
 Guest 27
2008-12-18 - 18:11:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131006
kgarrison: not sure there's a way of policing that
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:11:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131007
@Herne if you're on 2.7 it'll auto-update
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:11:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131008 | Parent Message ID: 5130980
Child Themes: is the page template override really in WP 2.7?
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:11:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131009
GPL is policed - is it not?
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:11:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131010
lol Jeff
 Guest 29
2008-12-18 - 18:11:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131011
Dgold, GPL stands for General Public License
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:11:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131012
@Dgold Yep.
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:11:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131013
er.... one-click update
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:12:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131014
child themes are awesome... but
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:12:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131015
but...?
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 18:12:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131016
ptah: It's a form of pedothemeophelia?
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:12:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131017 | Parent Message ID: 5130980
If anyone could possibly write about Child Theme template overrides in the Codex that would be appreciated!
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:12:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131019
the malicious "free theme" sites are one more reason that Automattic should NOT be cavalierly restricting bona fide GPL themes from the repository
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:13:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131021
Go Colts!
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:13:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131022
the GPL is not policed per-say, as there is no group responsible for policing it. If you have an issue with someone's use then you have legal recourse
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:13:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131023
PLUGINS: Since he removed themes are plugins next? There must be thousands of WP plugins for sale with all sorts of non-GPL compliant licensing...
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:13:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131024
Go Canucks! :P
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:13:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131025
its a tad bit confusing for end-users.. download two themes etc..
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:13:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131026
Plugins - wow, now *that* is a Pandora's box
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:13:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131027
but since there isnt much to gain from sueing an open source project, there is virtually no case law precidents
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:13:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131028
@Ptah, that's where you suck them in and make them pay for support. ;)
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:13:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131029
@Ptah / @Justin couldn't the parent theme be packaged with the child theme for d/l?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:13:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131030
lmao
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:13:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131031
@KD I haven't actually built the blog yet, I just installed 2.7 into another domain I own
 Matt Martz
2008-12-18 - 18:14:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131032
so what are we waiting on?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:14:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131033
suck them in, there's a business model Tadlock :-)
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:14:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131034
It's basically a GPL issue - not a WP issue other than the fact that Matt is taking minor steps towards enforcement of GPL.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:14:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131035
@kdmurray, I do that with one of my themes.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:14:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131037
well, it just adds another step to the process of activating your theme
 Matt Martz
2008-12-18 - 18:14:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131038
gotcha...thanks!
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:14:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131039
What is a Child THeme?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:14:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131040
^agreed Mark E
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:14:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131041
@Brain - It's my new slogan.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:14:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131043
the logical outcome of Matt's current course of action is that the community will form a quasi-official themes repository
 Guest 31
2008-12-18 - 18:14:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131044
is there any way to listen to a lower quality version of this call? i'm getting a lot of skips
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:14:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131046
child themes are a nice idea, but I've tried explaining it to non expert users and it's tricky
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:14:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131047
It's a conspiracy!
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:14:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131048
david - exactly.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:14:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131049
meaning that Automattic would lose ALL control over quality/etc. of the themes
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:14:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131050
I think Brian knows something ;-)
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:15:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131051
guest 16 care to elaborate?
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:15:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131052
no
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:15:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131053
a lot of skipping here too - it's not that busy is it?
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 18:15:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131054 | Parent Message ID: 5130980
Child themes don't sound that tricky if a same-named file just overrides the regular theme's same-name file?
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 18:15:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131056
How long do you think we'd stay here if Matt ditched us?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:15:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131057
dude, I've got all day
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:15:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131058
How can this be a GPL issue, when properly GPLed themes were removed? (The GPL is silent on linking to author web site.)
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:15:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131060
Child themes are themes which use another (Parent theme) as a base. So when you add (for example) a style.css file to it, that file will replace the .
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:16:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131063
Matt's secretly posing as one of the guests to see what we'll say about him.
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:16:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131064
cool. thx
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:16:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131065
it's the download and install that they don't get "so first I have to download this theme? Then I download that theme too? Why not have just one?"
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:16:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131066
ROFLMAO
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:16:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131068
the gpl themes link back or try to endorse non-gp themes
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:16:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131069
LMAO!!!
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:16:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131070
lol
 Guest 26
2008-12-18 - 18:16:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131071
fake matt
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:16:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131072
maybe he could pretend...
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:16:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131074
existing style.css file in the parent. You specify what your 'theme parent' is somewhere i nthe theme - I'm not sure where though
 Herne
2008-12-18 - 18:16:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131075
Heh... Well I can't stay, sorry! I'll catch the recording later
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:16:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131076
It's not so hard to avoid GPL issues. But a dev has to think creatively and actually read the GPL first...
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:16:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131077
Brian: that doesn't detract from the proper GPL license
 Joetek
2008-12-18 - 18:16:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131078
There are 10 people called in. Does Talkshoe have a limit?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:17:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131079
agreed, but apparently the promotion of non-gpl themes is the issue
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:17:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131080
Automattic is, of course, free to act as they wish; just don't call it a GPL issue
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:17:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131081
what about public domain themes? there are a few in the theme directory?
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:17:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131082
He should trying using a landline rather than a cell or VOIP.
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:17:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131083
can someone call Matt?
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:18:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131084
PD over GPL
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:18:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131085
@davidcoveney I think the point is that it makes it easier for noobs to keep their theme updated, as most of it can be maintained by the central paren
 Guest 26
2008-12-18 - 18:18:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131086
i somehow had the impression matt would have a computer with the most killer specs of all of us here. lol.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:18:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131087
I think if (parent) themes are coded right.. you wouldn't have the theme update problems etc.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:18:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131088
There are also benefits for scalability in WordPress Mu environments apparently
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:18:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131089
there would be no need for child themes.. but im just being devils advocate.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:18:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131090
I won't be here tomorrow.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:18:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131091
wb Matt Mullenweg
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 18:19:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131093
Hey guys, how's it going?
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:19:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131094
Hey matt...
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:19:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131095
hi Matt
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:19:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131096
hey Mat
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:19:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131097
oops Matt
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:19:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131098
@Ptah - I like the ability to speed up development. That's my main interest in child themes. I've done 4 or 5 in the time it would've taken for 2.
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:19:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131099
Hi Matt
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:19:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131100
@jacob if you have questions for Andy, you can email them to wpweekly@gmail.com
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:20:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131103
howdy Matt
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 18:20:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131104
Yeah, my calls are being dropped.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:20:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131105
4 or 5 child themes in the time it would've taken to build 2 full themes.
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 18:20:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131106
trying to get another cell
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:20:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131107
Matt doesn't know how to use a .
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:20:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131108
LOL
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:20:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131109
Landline maybe?
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:20:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131110
matt could be like superman
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:20:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131111
must be a Motorola
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:20:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131112
lol
 onefinejay
2008-12-18 - 18:20:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131113
matt with a landline? like superman with a kryptonite ball and chain around his ankle.
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:20:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131114
lol
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:20:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131115
or samsung
 Guest 10
2008-12-18 - 18:20:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131116
what is a cell ?
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 18:20:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131117
You guys are funny
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:21:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131118
what is a landline?
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:21:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131119
I'll have no questions except why it is broken.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:21:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131120
What's a landline?
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:21:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131121
and some little old bag lady is banging on the  booth wanting money for booze
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:21:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131122
It's a  line where there are real wires strung from pole to pole. ;)
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:21:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131123
Bye, bye, Matt.
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:22:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131124
lol @ little old lady
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:22:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131125
so.. about those interview questions...
 Guest 10
2008-12-18 - 18:22:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131126
Ma.tt
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:22:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131127
Houston, we have a problem...
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:22:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131128
(that was a joke, Kim :) my humor might be a bit dry; I'm pretty sleep deprived)
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:22:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131129
maybe matt is working on a WP-Talkshoe plugin and make it GPL compatible
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:22:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131130
@kim lol
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:22:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131131
Just ask me the questions.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:22:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131132
isn't Matt an i user? in that case he's probably just waiting for it to reboot
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:23:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131134
Hey Justin - how do you think the themes repository should choose what does and does not go in?
 Guest 10
2008-12-18 - 18:23:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131135
I need a latte
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:23:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131137
Sorry, I live out in the boonies - not much in the way of wireless out here unless it's Verizon.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:23:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131138
A: Because WP doesn't want to promote non-GPL themes
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:23:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131139
Let's get rid of the theme repository altogether. Themers have been doing it their way for a while now.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:23:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131142
What's drupal and joomla?
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:24:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131143
LMAO about the search
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:24:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131144
@Brian: aren't the repositories *community* contributed content? Wouldn't Automattic have a statement already about not necessarily endorsing it?
 Guest 31
2008-12-18 - 18:24:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131145
that search does seriously suck
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:24:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131147
I don't much care about the repository itself. I like to be in complete control of all my content.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:24:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131150
justin - totally
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:24:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131151
sell a premium search plugin
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:24:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131152
They don't have name search.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:25:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131153
Automattic controls what they allow into the repository, so they can disallow or remove as they wish.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:25:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131154
Which would allow for those searches.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:25:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131155
sorry, meant WP not automattic
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:25:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131156
beyond that, how does the existence of content on an author web site linked from within a contributed theme constitute an endorsement by Automattic?
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 18:25:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131157
I can't get any audio, will wait for the streamed version. Just remember everyone...
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:25:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131158
It isn't part of WordPress.
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:25:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131159
test
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:25:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131160
It bugs me too.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:25:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131161
Justin - may be a good point, when it didn't live it was fine. And I know some big guys don't like using it at all...
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:26:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131162
They can fix it for 2.8 and it will work on 2.7
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:26:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131163
@justin, theme authors CAN implement a theme update system into their themes.
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:26:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131164
it bugs ME
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:26:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131165
Brian, I don't think anyone is questioning Automattic's right to act as they wish
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:26:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131166
It is independent of WordPress versions.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:26:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131167
it doesn't Chip, it's about WP trying to encourage all GPL themes
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:26:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131168
Okay.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:26:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131169
Yes, they can implement that system, Ptah. Doesn't Tarski have something like that?
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 18:26:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131170
We're all passionate about this topic because we all see the value of it as a platform. Everyone wants the best for WP.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:26:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131171
Use google's "site:" tag to search the repository instead --- simple solution.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:26:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131172
Understand.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:26:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131173
Except not many people have access to the search on WordPress.org
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:27:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131174
so how deep do you go with it, then? I bet I can go from Matt's own web site, via links, to a site that sells/promotes non-GPL themes
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:27:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131175
Justin- yeah.. he's got an API call to do it
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:27:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131176
@Mark that's what we need... a plugin to replace the embedded search with a google site:wordpress.org search
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:27:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131177
GPL QUESTION: Why doesn't Matt make any GPL exception clauses - like those made for some Javascript libs?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:27:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131178
pretty neat.
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:27:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131179
exactly
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:27:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131180
@Ptah, I might have to look more into it.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:27:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131182
We're writing a google search API plugin
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:27:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131184
won't be GPL tho... it's going to cost us actual hard cash to test it
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:28:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131185
@davidcoveney for the admin screen/plugin search? or for the main site search?
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:28:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131186
Im skiping lunch for this, fortunately my grandmother tomato sweet is awsome..
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:28:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131188
EXAMPLE: "If a non-GPL program makes a function call to a GPL Javscript lib that does not require the non-GPL program to become GPL licensed."
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:28:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131189
a front end search - for paid for Google search too, so you can lose the Adwords
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:28:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131190
I've seen that clause used by others already.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:29:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131193
That's a little extreme.. IMO
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:29:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131195
If there is a market, the premium theme developers will find a way to serve that market - regardless of what Matt does
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:29:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131196
@Mark E - the problem is that if you win the argument on the license term you just get 'the spirit' thrown at you instead
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:29:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131197
what is that way?
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 18:29:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131199
@Mark_E only if the GPL program has a clause allowing it, if I remember right.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:30:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131200
please define "spirit of the GPL"
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:30:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131202
distribution baby.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:30:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131203
What I'm saying is that code authors already make those excepts - particular in reference to JS libs
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:30:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131204
@chip - I've no idea, it's kind of turned into a religion
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:30:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131205
But WP has not made any exceptions. Wny is that?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:30:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131206
The "spirit of the GPL" spends his days floating around the WP.org office.
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:30:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131207
or AGPL
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:30:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131209
I'm not a theme developer, or a custom-theme user (I develop my own), but the fiat-like actions of Matt here concern me
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:30:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131210
I thought I found it at the bottom of a bottle
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:31:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131212
but turned out to be just more vodka
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:31:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131214
What conspiracy theories for why Matt hasn't turned up can we think of?
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 18:31:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131215
can't you dial MM in 3-way
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 18:31:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131216
Matt... I'm setting a limit of waiting for you for 2.7 days.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:31:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131217
lol
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:31:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131218
Ditch the i and AT&T - go with Cricket. No brainer...
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:32:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131220
maybe he has the time zones confused
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:32:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131221
Fortunately, none of actually have lives...
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:32:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131222
"none of us"
 Guest 10
2008-12-18 - 18:32:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131223
exactly
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:32:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131224
it might be good to determine if we are discussing the applicability of GPL to themes, or the appropriateness of removing GPL themes from the repo
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:32:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131226
@kgarrison he's been in and out of the chat a ocuple of times
 onefinejay
2008-12-18 - 18:32:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131229
kgarrison: for a man who walks the earth he at least tries to be on time. :-D
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:32:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131232
I've never once seen a commercial WP Plugin that complies with GPL.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:32:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131233
plugins are where it's at
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:33:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131237
does the themes that go into the wordpress extend thing, are they checked for malicious/unwanted code...?
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:33:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131238
But tell ya what, I rewrote mine so that I totally avoid GPL issues.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:33:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131239
glavic, yup
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:33:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131241
I think if WordPress is to hit the big time as a platform, it needs to be a little more pragmatic
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:33:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131242
If WordPress.com is to hit the big time it just needs more money....
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:33:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131243
will there ever be a alert when the theme gets upgraded? there are alerts for plugins and wp itself....?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:34:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131244
WordPress is a platform, it cannot be pragmatic :P
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:34:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131245
how many degrees of separation are acceptable between a theme and a non-GPL theme web site? Apparently, the answer is at least > 2
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 18:34:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131246
Plugins are far more sensitive ground than themes though - you start messing with plugin authors and suddenly WP will become far less useful.
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:34:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131247
Unless a plugin used existing GPL code that was modified, then the changed code has to be made available.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:34:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131248
@Glavic - probably so.
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:34:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131249
there was always the argument of if Linus Torvald had a conflict of interest... if someone's code was rejected.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:34:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131251
glavic, when theme updates are integrated into core like plugins.. yeah, you should get alerts. 2.8
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:35:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131254
ptah thanks x2
 Guest 44
2008-12-18 - 18:35:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131255
A plugin is useless unless it is embedded in a UPT matrix. Get real.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:35:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131256
All our code was written from scratch
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:35:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131258
if a theme or plugin doesn't use any GPL code but accesses an open API there is no need for it to be licensed as GPL code
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 18:35:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131259
I don't think Theme qualify as a Derivative work because it's not a modified version. Themes could fit in a Fair Use if we look at that area.
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:35:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131260
what is wrong with making paid themes? I am all for open source and free themes but the author DO need to make some money - a THANK YOU does not
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:36:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131261
taste good even with ketchup
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:36:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131263
what are your thoughts on this Jeffro? Are you for premium themes and plugins?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:36:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131264
the current de facto ruling is that a theme cannot have a link to a web site that even *promotes* (e.g. links to) a non-GPL theme site
 Matt Martz
2008-12-18 - 18:36:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131265
Driving to the store to get a new 
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:36:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131266
Matt's gone AWOL
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:36:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131268
Jeffr0 - *cough* shifter *cough*
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:37:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131270
he's hiding with Steve Jobs
 Guest 10
2008-12-18 - 18:37:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131272
ma is looking for his tt
 studionashvegas
2008-12-18 - 18:37:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131273
hey everyone
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:37:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131275
chipbennett - so if I spend weeks creating a theme for people to use freely, but I also sell premium/paid themes, my free theme can't link to my site?
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:37:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131277
a premium theme is not necessarily open source just because its written in php
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:37:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131278
that's the current ruling (note: I disagree with that ruling)
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:38:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131279
There is a ruling on that?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:38:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131280
I've never liked the different licenses with premium themes myself. At some point, that gets a bit confusing for some users.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:38:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131281
from who/what?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:38:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131283
by "ruling" I mean, the email Matt sent out to theme authors whose themes were removed
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:38:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131284
@justin - those licenses aren't enforceable either.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:38:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131285
Jeffro quoted it in one of his recent blog posts
 onefinejay
2008-12-18 - 18:38:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131286
kgarrison: how much of a premium theme has to be written from scratch to make it not open source, ya?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:38:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131288
most premium theme designers have built plenty of GPL... we have 4:2 ratio of GPL to premium right now
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:39:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131289
ah, I thought you were replying to another comment - got confused
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:39:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131290
@Ptah - that's another reason for at least making just one license.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:39:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131291
we're as much a part of the community as everyone else
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:39:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131292
The bottom line in this all is the licensing. IMO, they are not against selling themes if they carry the GPL license.
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:39:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131293
it cant use existing open source code, calling an API call is not considered existing code
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:39:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131297
so theme authors to be listed on extend, can't have paid themes on their author site? that will kill the community.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:39:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131300
@Glavic: thus the current firestorm, and this chat
 seanyeomans
2008-12-18 - 18:40:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131302
decisions made by the community?? egads
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 18:40:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131303
it would be like congress, can't get a consensus
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:40:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131305
@Glavic: to clarify, that would be "non-GPL" themes, and not necessarily "for-cost" themes
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:40:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131306
@Glavic - it won't kill the community. Commercial themes can exist outside of WP.org and do perfectly fine.
 onefinejay
2008-12-18 - 18:40:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131308
@kgarrison: duly noted.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:40:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131309
^ agreed with Justin
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:41:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131310
@justintadlock, chipbennet said that themes can't link to non-gpl theme sites.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:41:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131312
Brain_Gardner - IMO, Matt just doesn't like the fact that premium theme advancements are wall gardened.. only avail to paying customers..
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:41:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131313
atleast thats what he told me
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:42:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131314
@Glavic: that's for themes accepted into the wp.org repository only
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:42:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131315
thing is, those advancements will trickle down - that was our plan
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:42:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131316
but why shouldnt paying customers of a theme get more features?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:42:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131317
@ptah, exactly, because they are not GPL
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 18:42:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131319
Matt can't comment on other people's state of mind.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:42:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131320
@Glavic - Yes, that's true. I just don't see it having a large effect on community.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:42:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131322
in fact, our Evening Sun has some stuff in it that's not made it into premium yet...
 onefinejay
2008-12-18 - 18:42:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131323
@kgarrison: which features are these? i mean, a creative use of a function or API call isn't necessarily a violation of the GPL, so...
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:43:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131325
Automattic IS NOT against selling themes.
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:43:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131326
I am greatful for the theme authors that created the themes that I have used in my site...I gotten most of those themese from the "repository"...
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:43:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131327
How do you sell a theme that can be given away?
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:43:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131328
I personally think the free themes should be allowed in the repository then in the author's site the premium themes.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:44:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131329
"relate to non-GPL"? How does "relating to" non-GPL themes render a GPL theme non-GPL or otherwise unacceptable?
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:44:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131330
If I create both free and paid themes, and I am giving my free themes into the repo, I do not see a conflict with my author page having info on BOTH
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:44:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131331
So.. is anyone up for forking WordPress and going up head 2 head against Automattic? +1
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:44:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131332
How many people go FIRST to the WP repository searching for themes or just googling "WP theme" etc?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:44:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131333
isn't it a bit cruel that if someone who advertises premium themes on their personal site won't be allowed either?
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:44:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131334
You can write code that allows for your theme to be updated from WordPress and get notifications of updated them.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:44:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131335
that's what makes it feel like market manipulation - even if it isn't
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:44:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131336
Jeff, you are spot on.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:44:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131337
@Ptah Why would you want to do that?
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:44:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131338
So if you have a premium theme, you can still have support like you get from being on the WordPress Repository.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:44:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131339
ryan - jk!
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 18:44:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131340
Anyone here thinking of producing any themes for Habari?
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:45:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131341
i always go in the repository (I will assume repository is the word for wordpress.org/extend/themes) first and when I have not, they were with authors
 onefinejay
2008-12-18 - 18:45:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131342
@BBmedia: that's the dangerous thing, kgarison raised the issue of malicious themes
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:45:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131344
Going to take a break.
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:45:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131345
that i trusted from previous themes of theirs from the repository.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:45:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131346
Brian - the risk is, we could move to Laos, put all your themes on Spectacula and undercut you
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:45:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131347
couldn't someone just conference call Matt into the conversation?
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:45:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131348
DOn't start without me.
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:45:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131349
so they want you to make money but wont support you if you want to make money commercially, that doesnt make a lot of sense
 Guest 48
2008-12-18 - 18:45:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131351
Joined Late: so what happened to Matt
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:45:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131352
100% legal, and completely the spirit of GPL
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:45:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131353
you are right David
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:45:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131354
go for it :-)
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:45:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131355
are JOOMLA desigers and developers dealing with this?
 seanyeomans
2008-12-18 - 18:45:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131356
maybe Matt snubbed you for Letterman
 studionashvegas
2008-12-18 - 18:45:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131357
Could someone summarize what I missed in the first part? I just got here a few minutes ago
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:46:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131358
Matt is running away......there is a huge snowstorm happening to a big chunck of North America.
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 18:46:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131359
I think premium theme developers, like Revolution, and Automattic can exist together. It just a matter of setting some guidelines.
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:46:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131360
matt is staring in the upcoming 24 series and is running from Jack Bauer right now
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:46:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131361
and why would you have to move to Laos to do that?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:46:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131362
@andrew rickmann - we've been looking at Habari, but might be too early
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:46:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131363
<- not seeing a conspiracy, but rather a wrong decision by Matt
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 18:46:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131364
For selling themes it may be yeah.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:47:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131365
@Brian - overheads... it was just an example
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:47:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131366
Overhead, what is that?
 deeter
2008-12-18 - 18:47:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131367
let's talk about premium themes & designers and why they are worth the $$$
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:47:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131368
it could be Bangalore or China or anywhere with a decent connection
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 18:47:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131369
Today has not been a failure. It has been interesting.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:47:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131370
Overheads - office, having to file accounts, computers, software, etc
 kgarrison
2008-12-18 - 18:47:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131371
because premium themes are often far better designed than free themes
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:47:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131372
Jeff, why even give such nonsense credence by bringing it up here?
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:47:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131373
so the reason so many themes got kicked out of the repository is because they had links to sites that had paid themes?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:47:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131374
I know what it is, was being sarcastic.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:47:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131375
Starbucks doesn't charge rent.
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:47:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131376
Jeff - how many people do you show as being on the call right now?
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:48:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131377
This show is the top show on the front page of Talkshoe.com
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 18:48:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131379
Jeff, give us a tune...
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:48:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131380
working from Starbucks? my idea of hell!
 seanyeomans
2008-12-18 - 18:48:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131381
hey yeah guys, sing us a song
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:48:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131382
6 people are on call
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:48:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131383
Sing!
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:48:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131385
wb Matt
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:48:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131386
lol
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:48:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131387
whait
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:48:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131388
and you can't register a company at a starbucks branch
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:48:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131389
Matt is logged in!
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:48:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131390
just when we were about to close doors
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:48:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131391
hi Matt
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 18:48:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131392
true, but you can out of a house
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:48:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131393
i can't head audio, it says buffering audio please wait
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:48:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131394
welcome backwelcome back Matt
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:49:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131397
depends on how big your house is - at Interconnect IT/Spectacu.la there's two full time, and Mike Little contracts for us a bit too
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:49:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131398
Jason - what was your determining factor in going OS with Brian? Seems like you said goodbye to a lot of income?
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:49:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131399
maybe Matt is on dialup???
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:49:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131400
dialup? lol
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:49:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131402
dialup still exists?
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:50:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131403
yeah, netzero
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:50:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131404
yes it does, unfortunately.
 studionashvegas
2008-12-18 - 18:50:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131405
my parents still use dial-up
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:50:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131406
I remember that AOL running man. good times.
 studionashvegas
2008-12-18 - 18:50:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131407
its all they get
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 18:50:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131410
it's a good backup when the broadband fails
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:50:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131411
oh dear god, i have a 7mbps line, my first internet connection was 14.4 kps, going back to that would be torture.
 seanyeomans
2008-12-18 - 18:51:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131412
my first connection was 300baud
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:51:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131413
@PennyM - only if you actually have a landline to dial from.
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:51:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131414
lol - you weren't making money
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:51:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131415
@PennyM - I'm sad enough to have twin broadband - cable + ADSL...
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:51:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131416
@ jeff you shloud grag the chance and make the show with brian, jason, justin, etc - they are all here..
 studionashvegas
2008-12-18 - 18:51:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131417
If it weren't for custom / premium WordPress themes, I would be out of a job (lol) - so I'm all for 'em
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:51:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131418
All I have here for broadband is Verizon Wireless Broadband - no other option available out here.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:51:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131419
grag>grab
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:51:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131420
matt is pushing his Commodore 64 300baud modem to its limit
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:51:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131421
lol @bb
 Guest 53
2008-12-18 - 18:52:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131422
howdy ppl (mjepson)
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:52:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131423
so we can buy Jason's themes and give them away? is that right?
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 18:52:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131424
@Justin - very true, i don't think my mac even has a modem
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:52:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131425
GPl?
 seanyeomans
2008-12-18 - 18:52:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131426
thanks for trying guys
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:52:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131427
How 'bout that song?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:52:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131428
@Guest 16 - yes
 Glavic
2008-12-18 - 18:52:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131429
do any of you think wordpress, wp themes and wp pluggins would be at the level they are if we would of still be in dial up?
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:52:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131430
thanks jeff for making the effort.
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 18:52:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131431
@g16 ... you should not assume
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:52:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131432
I think the key question here is "degrees of separation" between a repository theme, and promotion of non-GPL themes
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 18:52:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131433
@davidcoveney impressive
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:52:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131434
i asked
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:52:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131435
imagine, one premium themes club with the very best themes and almost zero cost base
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 18:52:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131436
Ok. Let us know and thanks for trying.
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 18:52:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131437
O, well... better luck next time.
 Jason Schuller
2008-12-18 - 18:52:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131438
@guest16... thats right
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:53:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131441
that is GPL @Tuller
 studionashvegas
2008-12-18 - 18:53:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131442
Glavic - more than likely not... the first themes were all css, minimal images. Now, most of the great themes are image-heavy
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:53:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131443
thanks
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:53:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131444
if the unscrupulous want to, they can easily undercut a GPL rival
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:53:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131446
good luck next time; I'll be watching for it to show up in Amarok once you're able to get it done...
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:53:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131447
well, this was a nice get together.
 Guest 7
2008-12-18 - 18:53:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131448
bye
 seanyeomans
2008-12-18 - 18:53:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131449
you too guys
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:53:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131450
so you get driven down to the lowest price
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:53:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131451
viva la WP
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 18:53:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131452
see ya Jeff
 studionashvegas
2008-12-18 - 18:53:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131453
peace
 Guest 16
2008-12-18 - 18:53:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131454
sure - doesnt seem right
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 18:53:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131455
ah well - bye bye everyone!
 kdmurray
2008-12-18 - 18:53:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131457
Thanks folks@
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 18:54:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131458
cya
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 18:54:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131459
our hopes and dreams have been dashed
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:54:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131461
&mdash;
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:55:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131463
Ryan!
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:55:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131464
we need to talk
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:55:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131465
email.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 18:55:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131466
Could still do a Theme roundtable.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:55:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131468
yeah
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:55:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131469
We'll be waiting all night.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:56:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131471
Everyone leaving all of a sudden almost crashed my computer.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:56:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131472
me?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:56:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131473
sure
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:56:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131474
what's your email address?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:56:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131475
I'm on MSN right now ... ryanhellyer@hotmail.com
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:56:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131476
pt[@]ptahd.com
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:56:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131477
and Skype ... ryanhellyer
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:57:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131478
thanks
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 18:57:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131479
sweet. I'll get on
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 18:57:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131481
I think Revolution has it about right. Charge for support. The ones who don't need support don't pay.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:57:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131482
@guest 40 > Long Tail
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:58:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131484
But, is it right for Automattic to shun completely the GPL contributions of those who choose to develop premium and/or non-GPL themes?
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 18:58:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131485
Could it be that Matt is more worried about security and compromising WordPress?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 18:58:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131486
Guest 40 - no, unrelated issue
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 18:58:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131487
Ok. Thanks Ryan.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 18:59:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131488
matt here
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:59:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131489
isn't that really the key issue?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 18:59:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131491
okay, so, WP.org, then?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:59:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131492
matt is back
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 18:59:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131493
and, he's gone.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 19:00:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131494
ruigato - is that a question? Or a statement?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:00:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131495
Uhm - are they completely separate? There's no transparency really.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:00:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131498
Jeff, setting the semantics aside, the question is still valid
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:00:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131500
Would you trust a policeman to police a business he runs?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:01:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131502
certainly, Matt has the right/authority to act as he wishes - but is it the *right* think to do?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:01:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131503
(whether he is acting as part of Automattic or WP.org - or both)
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 19:01:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131507
I don't see a problem with a person asking for payment for support. It's done in other businesses.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:02:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131508
isn't that the whole point of this chat today?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 19:02:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131511
Well, I suppose I'm about to head out. It was nice chatting with everyone though.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:02:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131513
@justin - are you still in georgia?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:02:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131515
cya Justin - got to go too shortly....
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:02:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131516
joomla has had problems with developers also
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 19:02:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131518
@ptah - Yeah. I'm staying with my sister in Suwanee
 Guest 48
2008-12-18 - 19:03:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131519
So for a person looking to make money by making themes, what is an example accepted way to offer themes for free but still make money?
 Guest 21
2008-12-18 - 19:03:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131522
yep - its registered to Matt
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:03:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131524
there are lots of paid plugins and themes for joomla and paid plugins are listed in the official site (marked as paid)
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 19:03:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131526
What type of company is Automattic
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:03:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131528
@justin - you plan on going to any of the local WP meetups?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:04:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131530
Automattic is Incorporated, US, and a little secretive - no  number or postal address, for example
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 19:04:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131532
@Ptah - I'm not sure. I don't really know anything about the local meetups. It would be interesting though. Do you go to them?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:05:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131538
there are strings
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:05:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131539
@justin - I've been to the first meetup here. it's pretty small now.. but once word gets out.. I can imagine even a wordcamp down here.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:05:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131541
Tech scene in atlanta is pretty big
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:06:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131542
clearly, GPL wouldn't apply to an image or CSS file
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 19:06:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131543
depends if that CSS file is GPL licensed or not!
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 19:06:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131544
right
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 19:06:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131545
@Ptha - sounds cool. I wish I could've made it back in time for the Birmingham WordCamp (was still in Korea).
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 19:06:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131546
original css and images are not subject to GPL unless the author puts them under GPL
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:06:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131548
@ryan: to clarify, the WP.org GPL would not apply to a theme's image or CSS files
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 19:07:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131550
If you want further info... that info is at TopNotchThemes
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 19:07:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131551
true
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 19:07:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131552
FYI: It's relatively easy to make a theme so that it doesn't violate GPL, and you could place the theme under any license you want.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:07:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131553
It makes sense, and I offered that solution to Matt but he described it as a loophole :-(
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 19:07:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131554
I've gotta go now though. Email me sometime about the meetups or something.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:07:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131555
alright, ttyl
 Guest 56
2008-12-18 - 19:07:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131556
any idea when?
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 19:07:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131557
Just gotta write some functions on your own.
 Guest 56
2008-12-18 - 19:07:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131558
today, tomorrow, etc?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 19:08:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131559
@Ptah Where you at? I can't see you on MSN or Skype yet.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:08:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131560
jutst grab a red bull, iam already whaiting for Perfcast
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:08:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131561
@david: I would argue that the images and CSS represent the bulk of work that go into a theme (with the exception perhaps of a functions.php file)
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:08:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131562
@ryan, I sent you a pm on msn
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:08:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131563
trying to add you on skype
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:08:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131564
and therefore, the author ought to be able to protect that work, if he so wishes
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:08:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131565
my id on both: ptahdunbar
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:08:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131566
amen
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 19:09:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131568
ah, got it
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:09:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131570
who is speaking?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 19:09:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131573
Mark E
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:09:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131574
ty
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 19:10:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131577
A lot of us invested quite a bit of money in compiler tools and libraries in the past. Of course we also controlled the source code.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:10:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131578
lol
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 19:10:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131579
whoa... Matt made it
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:10:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131580
hi matt
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:10:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131582
matt!
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:10:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131583
wb matt
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 19:11:17 GMT | Message ID: 5131587
What might help the most is to explain to the average user the difference between free and premium themes.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:11:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131590
take the chance jeffpro
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 19:11:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131591
Maybe that other guy was a fake?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:11:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131592
the "other" Matt obviously wasn't Matt...
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:11:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131594
poser!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:11:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131595
lol
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:11:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131596
lol
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:12:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131597
Need to find and then kill the guy.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:12:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131598
LMAO
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:12:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131600
that's how you know you're famous
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:12:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131601
Contact TalkShoe and tell them about the poser
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:12:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131602
wahey!
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:12:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131603
glad I hung around :)
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:13:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131604
Hi Matt
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:13:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131605
glad i stay here
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:13:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131607
lets move on
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:13:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131608
Now that most people have left.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:13:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131609
so can I copy/paste my questions from earlier? :)
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:13:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131610
lets move on
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:13:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131612
start the recording
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 19:13:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131613
@Brian Matt M. On
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:13:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131616
I see
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:13:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131618
lets do this
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:14:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131620
no way
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:14:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131621
do it now
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:14:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131622
I agree
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 19:14:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131624
just get it done.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:14:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131625
I have to leave shortly, I'm afraid, but can pick up the podcast tomorrow
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:14:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131626
so what
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 19:14:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131627
Twitter ppl, they will come back
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:14:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131628
i agree
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:14:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131630
they'll listen
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:14:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131631
twitter
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:14:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131632
later
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:14:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131633
do not pass this opp
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:14:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131634
several people seem to be returning
 Guest 57
2008-12-18 - 19:14:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131635
do it!
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:14:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131636
Do half the show now.
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 19:14:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131637
Sounds like a plan.
 Guest 57
2008-12-18 - 19:14:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131638
tinyurl.com/wpweekly
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:14:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131639
Reschedule the other have.
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:14:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131640
blast a twitter
 Guest 21
2008-12-18 - 19:14:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131641
sure - just put it on wp.org home page LOL
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:14:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131642
everyone that was here has rss and twitter
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:15:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131644
Have Matt twitter too.
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 19:15:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131645
i'd been listening to the itunes stream, that was lucky
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 19:15:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131646
Ok. Sounds good.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:15:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131647
Tell them it was rescheduled for now.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:15:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131648
Jeff, which issue are we going to deal with?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:15:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131650
The appropriateness of GPL for themes, or
 Guest 57
2008-12-18 - 19:16:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131652
http://twitter.com/nathanrice
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:16:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131653
The appropriateness of banning from the repository GPL themes that link to sites promoting non-GPL themes?
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 19:16:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131654
We need to get Brian, Jason and Justin back in.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:16:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131655
(I know, you're just left with us no-names :D )
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:16:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131656
Can you at least ask a question?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:16:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131657
I'm in, and can call back if need be
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:16:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131658
Jason's also back on
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 19:16:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131659
Magnus representing WooThemes here... Lets have the talk now :)
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:16:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131660
I'm just the trouble-maker who kicked off first - sorry!
 Guest 57
2008-12-18 - 19:17:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131663
Tell Matt to tweet it out ... the URL is http://tinyurl.com/wpweekly
 Guest 57
2008-12-18 - 19:17:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131666
Jason is here "feedyourself"
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:17:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131668
lol
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 19:18:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131670
Matt has cured me. I was feeling Ill til he came on.
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 19:19:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131671
the real matt mullenweg <--
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:19:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131672
Whoa
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:19:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131673
fake matt is here
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:19:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131674
fyi Jeff, I am NE Illinois
 Guest 40
2008-12-18 - 19:19:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131675
Obviously that isn't Matt.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:20:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131676
someone needs to write WP-lynchmob, and catch the poser :)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:20:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131677
<---Fake guest
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:20:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131678
<-- real nobody
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:20:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131679
just start Jeff! :-)
 Guest 57
2008-12-18 - 19:20:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131680
I'm trying to get ahold of Justin via chag --Nathan
 Guest 57
2008-12-18 - 19:20:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131681
chat
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 19:21:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131684
Jeff, Check your twitter.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:22:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131685
But who would he run ten kilometers for?
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 19:22:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131687
Matt, answered the cheese question before. He said it was spicy jack?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:22:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131688
I'm a vegetarian - can Matt tell me his favourite vegetable?
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 19:23:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131689
All hail the cauliflower
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:23:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131691
Matt, do you like Indian food?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:23:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131692
good choice - especially masked cauliflower
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:23:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131693
Broccoli is mightier! Our vegetable overlord
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:23:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131694
*mashed
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:23:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131695
Thanks for 2.7 Matt!!!!!!!!
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:23:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131696
sprinkle garlic over Brocolli
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:23:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131697
hmmmm
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:23:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131698
cool
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:23:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131699
2.7 rocks matt!!!!
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:24:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131701
Hey everybody, throw up your Twitter url: http://twitter.com/nathanrice
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 19:24:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131702
http://twitter.com/arickmann
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 19:24:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131703
http://twitter.com/mjepson
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:24:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131704
http://twitter.com/ptahdunbar
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:24:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131705
http://twitter.com/hyderj
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 19:24:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131706
http://twitter.com/benjaminbradley
 Guest 78
2008-12-18 - 19:24:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131707
when can I hook up Google/Facebook Friend Connect to WP Comments?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:24:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131708
<-- doesn't Twitter
 Guest 64
2008-12-18 - 19:24:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131709
http://twitter.com/joshbyers
 sherryshrinnercom
2008-12-18 - 19:24:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131710
hi
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:24:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131711
Matt, if I organize one in East Europe would you come?
 dancole
2008-12-18 - 19:24:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131712
http://twitter.com/dancole
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:24:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131713
http://twitter.com/davecoveney
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:24:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131714
TalkShoe....interesting
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:25:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131715
Haven't heard of this service yet
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 19:25:01 GMT | Message ID: 5131716
http://twitter.com/darrenhoyt
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:25:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131717
Well, i have now. lol
 sherryshrinnercom
2008-12-18 - 19:25:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131718
see ypu later
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:25:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131719
http://twitter.com/bgardner
 Guest 80
2008-12-18 - 19:25:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131720
To Matt & all - Would you all consider WP an full CMS now or is it still 'blogging' software?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 19:25:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131721
http://twitter.com/ryanhellyer/
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:25:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131722
Are we sharing each other's twitters?
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 19:25:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131723 | Parent Message ID: 5131056
http://twitter.com/dgold
 Pavel Ciorici
2008-12-18 - 19:25:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131724
http://twitter.com/ciorici
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:25:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131725
it's about 80% cms - heck of a framework under the hood now, which really helps
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:25:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131726
What's a good hash, #WPW?
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:25:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131727
http://twitter.com/lashakrikheli
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 19:25:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131728
http://twitter.com/premiumgal
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:25:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131729
http://twitter.com/ruigato
 Guest 73
2008-12-18 - 19:26:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131730
http://twitter.com/ev3rywh3re
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 19:26:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131732
http://twitter.com/idealien
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:26:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131734
http://twitter.com/bentrem ... dunno why we're doing this.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:26:41 GMT | Message ID: 5131735
I'll probably be at both (dallas & chicago)
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:26:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131737
Heard it here first!
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 19:27:05 GMT | Message ID: 5131738
I want to go to both also.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:27:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131739
Guys what's the deal with sharing twitters?
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:27:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131740
Dang
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 19:27:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131741
any thoughts on ID and Facebook Connect integration?
 Guest 87
2008-12-18 - 19:27:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131742
Any links to wordcamp event details?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:28:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131744
@justintadlock says: Heading back to the wpweekly chat.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 19:28:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131745
OK. I'm back. I missing out on some perfectly good coding time. Luckily, I had time to answer a few support questions at Theme Hybrid in the break
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:28:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131746
guys - really pains me, but have an appointment that I'm already late for.
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 19:28:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131747
so if we're starting again at 2:30... does that mean I need to go get more hot pockets for justin?
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 19:28:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131748
@nathanrice - what is your take on the text here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WMS
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 19:28:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131749
Mmmm...Hot Pockets
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:28:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131750
/me ponders, "WPW / TV documentary on Hells' Angels. Documentary / WPW ..."
 johnberr
2008-12-18 - 19:28:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131751
Wow...it's like a who's who of Wordpress in here...looking forward to it.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 19:29:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131752
I'll stay signed in coz I'd like to review the comments later, but otherwise consider me gone, soz chaps
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:29:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131753
@mjepson I think it's pretty clear
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:29:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131754
interesting and fun :-)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:29:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131755
As a special exception to the GPL, any HTML file which merely makes function calls to this code, and for that purpose includes it by reference shall
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:29:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131756
be deemed a separate work for copyright law purposes
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 19:30:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131757
As a special exception to the GPL, any HTML file which merely makes function calls to this code, and for that purpose includes it by reference shall..
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 19:30:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131758
be deemed a separate work for copyright law purposes.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 19:31:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131759
sorry for double spamming ;(
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:31:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131760
BTW: the TalkShoe Pro client is pretty good.
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:31:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131761
http://twitter.com/tommy_day
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 19:32:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131763
somebody is out there having a big laugh about it!
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:32:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131765
I can't believe I hadn't heard of WordCamp Indy, that's where I live!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:32:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131766
Great GPL thread in [WP-Hackers]
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:32:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131768
@mjepson -- I think it's clear ... since "separate work" and "derivative work" are two very different things :-)
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:32:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131769
(There's a WordCamp in Indy? That's where I'm from - though we're in St. Louis now.)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:33:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131771
Go ahead ... "GPL Clarified in 42 words or less"
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:33:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131772
yeah just heard Jeff mention it, googled it, looks like there's no date
 Guest 71
2008-12-18 - 19:33:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131774
very "google-esque"
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:34:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131775
Ok, cat's outta the bag ... Matt sed it. We can all relax: most themes suck. ;-
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:34:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131778
lol
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:34:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131779
most themes do actually suck
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:34:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131780
http://twitter.com/craigert
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:35:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131782
yes, most themes do suck.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:35:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131783
Craig why would you link to a protected twitter profile?
 Guest 87
2008-12-18 - 19:35:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131785
Yeah it's pretty much a waist of time to browse the repository.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:35:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131786
Update: TalkShoePro is really good.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:35:40 GMT | Message ID: 5131787
of course more joomla themes suck more
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:35:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131788
I they're doing that, I think it should be based on the quality of the theme
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:35:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131789
anyone else doing this at work?
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:35:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131790
It was a GPL theme... it met your requirements. What it promotes is inconsequential
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:36:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131791
Heeeere we go! *buckles up*
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:36:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131792
But the themes submitted to - and accepted into - the repository *are properly GPLed*. Why should that contribution be shunned?
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:36:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131793
So dumb
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:36:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131795
What the author does on his own site is irrelevant
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:36:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131796
Decent summation. Go through point by point, Matt.
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:36:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131797
Matt sells Akismet subscriptions
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:36:43 GMT | Message ID: 5131798
you cant hold him to the letter - it is after all their website
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:36:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131799
shouldn't be in the plugin repository
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:36:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131800
they can do as they please
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:37:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131801
It is a community website, is it not?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:37:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131802
"developer of premium/non-GPL theme" != "bad guy"
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 19:37:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131804
be patient people - he hasn't had a chance to explain and answer questions yet.....
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:37:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131805
@chipbennett +1
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:37:42 GMT | Message ID: 5131806
@chipbennett + 1 from me too
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:38:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131807
"splogger" = "bad guy"; "malicious coder" = "bad guy"
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:38:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131808
@chipbennett - but I don't think that's what he was saying
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:38:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131809
"developer of premium/non-GPL theme" = "middle guy who gets affected by the bad guy"
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:38:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131810
Point: no reason wp.org has to be exhaustive / comprehensive.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:38:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131811
I don't think Matt was saying that Premium devs were bad guys
 Guest 71
2008-12-18 - 19:38:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131812
back pedal?
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:38:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131813
You can do whatever you want, but we won't allow you to put your themes on .org
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:39:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131815
but the contributed themes *are properly GPLed*
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:39:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131816
ah expression engine - nice cms
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:39:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131817
Well, @69 ... "we" can do what we want, but .org has to do what we tell it?
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:39:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131819
Okay, I don't get this..............is wordpress trying to stop people from selling themes??????
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:39:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131820
wrong?
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:39:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131821
Yeah, cause Automattic makes tons of money
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:39:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131822
@85, no
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:39:58 GMT | Message ID: 5131823
By stopping others
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:40:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131824
wrong?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:40:11 GMT | Message ID: 5131825
guys... ask questions later.. let the man talk.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:40:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131826
ask why its wrong jeff
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 19:40:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131827
So then what's the deal??
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:40:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131828
you don't have to sell themes to make a living from WordPress
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:40:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131829
Automattic is trying to stop people from selling themes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:40:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131831
@69 so you want to stop .org? Why doncha set up an exhaustive list of themes then.
 Guest 58
2008-12-18 - 19:40:29 GMT | Message ID: 5131832
So on the point about having the *best* themes, is being associated with premium themes detract from being your GPL-compliant theme one of the best?
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:40:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131833
I just use WordPress for all my clients, but I don't sell "premium themes"
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:40:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131834
Automattic is not commercially friendly
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:40:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131835
'mattic doesn't need to pimp $$ themes on .org ... no reason they should.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:41:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131836
he said it WRONG
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:41:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131837
@bentrem: that's probably what will happen, under this policy. Another community theme repository will sprout up
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:41:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131838
@bentrem - I agree
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:41:24 GMT | Message ID: 5131839
Thesis is one of the best themes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:41:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131840
@chip "Let 100,000 flowers blossom!"
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:41:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131842
thesis bores me - sorry
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:41:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131843
"The Morning After"
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:41:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131844
but the wp.org repository is a good thing. It allows wp.org to police for truly malicious/unethical themes
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:41:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131845
@66 - LOL
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:42:16 GMT | Message ID: 5131846
Hey @nathan ... was gonna mention your stuff but heh History didn't do its bit.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:42:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131847
@bentrem - ???
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:43:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131848
@nathan Didn't you chip in a major post re: GPL / themes?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:43:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131849
off track - is it ok to sell themes or not Matt?
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:43:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131850
@66 - NOPE
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:43:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131851
@66 yes, if they carry GPL
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:43:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131855
They want you to find a way to not sell the theme
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:43:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131856
but instead sell something else
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:44:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131857
Q: Does selling themes breach GPL?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:44:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131858
it's all about the license they are sold under
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:44:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131859
A: Absolutely not
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:44:13 GMT | Message ID: 5131860
Can i design themes for clients that are using wordpress?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:44:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131861
i understand that 69 - i want to hear it from Matt
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:44:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131862
Q2: Any reason why .org should have to host $$ themes?
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:44:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131863
@72 of course
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:44:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131864
ok, thanks tommy
 Guest 69
2008-12-18 - 19:44:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131865
Can't listen to this anymore... bye all
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:44:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131866
I think 66 is asking if it is acceptable according to wp.org for developers to sell GPL themes
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 19:45:03 GMT | Message ID: 5131867
So he wants to control what people call there themes
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:45:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131868
As a special exception to the GPL, any HTML file which merely makes function calls to this code, and for that purpose includes it by reference shall
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:45:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131869
be deemed a separate work for copyright law purposes
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:45:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131870
You can sell a theme - but the purchaser can give it away - isn't that the short of it?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:45:09 GMT | Message ID: 5131871
@69 - chill out dude/dudette?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:45:14 GMT | Message ID: 5131872
@bentrem: is anyone asking wp.org to host $$ themes? I don't think so
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:45:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131873
A2: absolutely not
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:45:20 GMT | Message ID: 5131874
yes 55
 Guest 100
2008-12-18 - 19:45:25 GMT | Message ID: 5131875
@Brian_Gardner, your increasing involvement in this whole deal makes it seem like you are working for Automattic
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:45:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131876
the code only 55
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:45:35 GMT | Message ID: 5131878
@Chip ... but that's what this was about, no? Dropping commercial themes.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:45:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131879
@100, sorry not employed by them
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:45:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131880
@Brian_Gardner - kudos for going Open Source :)
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 19:45:59 GMT | Message ID: 5131881
@guest66 - not the design?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:46:04 GMT | Message ID: 5131883
ok plain talk from Matt
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:46:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131884
@bentrem: no; it is about dropping free, GPL themes that merely linked to the author's site, which offered or promoted $$ themes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:46:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131885
There: "Do we want that stuff on .org"
 Guest 78
2008-12-18 - 19:46:27 GMT | Message ID: 5131886
are we still talking about Themes?? Change topic to something interesting please!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:46:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131887
@chip Good one; spot on. So ... kinda like $$ at one remove.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:46:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131888
Brian - so your ok with someone creating a theme based on your code and selling it?
 johnberr
2008-12-18 - 19:46:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131889
@Brian_Gardner I agree w/ @tommy_day...kudos.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:47:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131891
@bentrem: which is why I asked earlier what the acceptable "degrees of separation" would be
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:47:10 GMT | Message ID: 5131893
@66, that is the spirit of the GPL
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:47:21 GMT | Message ID: 5131896
@chip Spot on ... slippery slope. And soon we'll get into plugins.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:47:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131897
but your ok with it?
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:47:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131899
Have they brought up the subject of FREE themes being removed from WordPress.org because the authors also have other PREMIUM themes?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:47:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131902
i think the main problem is many people don't READ the GPL
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:47:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131903
has nothing to do with my thoughts
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:47:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131904
I'm guilty of that
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:47:48 GMT | Message ID: 5131907
I believe that some themes were removed simply because the author's site *advertised* for non-GPL themes
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:47:49 GMT | Message ID: 5131908
And I apologized to Matt directly
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:47:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131909
Wasn't a bunch of themes removed from the directory because their authors were affiliated with Premium themes?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:47:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131910
think i know your answer - by your answer
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:47:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131911
just know that people might call you out on how much code you use
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:48:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131912
@72 nothing dead simple about "derivative works".
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:48:26 GMT | Message ID: 5131916
@106 That's precisely the topic. From the start.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:48:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131917
nothing personal Brian at all
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:48:36 GMT | Message ID: 5131918
bentremm true - it can get confusing
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:48:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131919
@chipbennett so who cares if their authors advertised non-GPL themes if the theme that is in the directory WAS GPL and free?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:48:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131921
I understand, just saying that my users know my code and might say things if you do that
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:48:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131922
@chipbennett seems like some pretty harsh discrimination
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 19:48:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131923
@106, that is the question at hand
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:48:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131924
@72 IMNSHO we have to work through it ... not /theory/, but /praxis/.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:48:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131925
@106: I agree wholeheartedly
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:49:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131926
and not that you'd be in the wrong, just that I have a defensive community
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:49:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131927
I wouldnt do it - just making a point
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:49:15 GMT | Message ID: 5131928
then they need to ask matt the question
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:49:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131929
understood
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 19:49:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131930
TopNotchThemes.com - Premium Drupal themes
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:49:52 GMT | Message ID: 5131932
Jeff: *please ask Matt* why he believes it is appropriate to dictate to theme authors what their personal web site content should be?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:49:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131933
Drupal admin loks like WP .0001
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:49:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131934
ReTw @106 "who cares about others if the theme in the .org list WAS GPL and free?"
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 19:50:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131935
@Brian - I've called out at least one Rev copy on DP
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:50:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131936
joomla has lots of premium themes, rocketheme is a million dollar business
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:50:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131938
@penny, and it won't be the last
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 19:50:19 GMT | Message ID: 5131939
@66, if you wouldn't do it, why would you ask it
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:50:23 GMT | Message ID: 5131941
Jeff: I agree. Ask why FREE GPL themes were removed from the WORDPRESS.ORG directory just because the authors are affiliates with other premium themes
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:50:31 GMT | Message ID: 5131942
rockettheme is hot in the Joomla world
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:50:45 GMT | Message ID: 5131945
joomlart, joomlajunkie
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:50:53 GMT | Message ID: 5131947
Glad this is recorded ... lotsa stuff going down.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:50:54 GMT | Message ID: 5131948
@ 106, um because they promote non-gpl themes
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:50:56 GMT | Message ID: 5131949
DP?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:51:02 GMT | Message ID: 5131951
Digital Point
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 19:51:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131952
im on that theme clubs and thay are all starting to make wp themes also
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:51:06 GMT | Message ID: 5131953
ah
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:51:30 GMT | Message ID: 5131957
@Brian Gardner: please explain why it is relevant what the theme authors' *personal web sites* promote
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:51:34 GMT | Message ID: 5131958
@Brian_Gardner: But the theme in the directory is a GPL free theme
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:51:38 GMT | Message ID: 5131959
@106 I think it was more than "affiliates"; Matt talked about what was linked to.
 Guest 118
2008-12-18 - 19:51:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131960
Can someone please ask Matt why we still can't add custom fields / meta data to links? Wayyyy overdue.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:51:55 GMT | Message ID: 5131965
@118 Get onto [WP-Hackers].
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:51:57 GMT | Message ID: 5131967
@Brian_Gardner so because the authors personal web site, not the free theme page, has a link to a premium theme it should be penalized?
 johnberr
2008-12-18 - 19:52:28 GMT | Message ID: 5131972
Are half of you even listening to what he is saying?
 Guest 74
2008-12-18 - 19:52:32 GMT | Message ID: 5131973
i thought i was going to hear how awesome 2.7 was - this discussion on themes is kinda boring, sry
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:52:37 GMT | Message ID: 5131975
So it becomes free then Jeff
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:52:39 GMT | Message ID: 5131976
@Jefrro: standard practice: "Free as in speech / free as in beer"
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 19:52:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131977
matt's right - joomla just doesn't have the open community wordpress has. as for larger sites, i do tend to lean towards Drupal
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:52:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131979
which basically says anyone involved in premium themes is effectively banned from releasing a free GPL theme that can appear in wordpress.org
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:53:07 GMT | Message ID: 5131982
@106 that's one end of the slippery slope; well spoke.
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:53:08 GMT | Message ID: 5131983
which gives them no incentive to make a free GPL theme because they can't even put it in the wordpress.org directory
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:53:12 GMT | Message ID: 5131984
@106, pretty much yes
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 19:53:22 GMT | Message ID: 5131987
i've also setup a drupal site, with wordpress powering the blog
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:53:33 GMT | Message ID: 5131988
Brian - do you consider all of your theme GPL?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:53:44 GMT | Message ID: 5131989
@Brian: and I ask again - why would wp.org want to ban such contributions?
 Guest 106
2008-12-18 - 19:53:46 GMT | Message ID: 5131990
@Brian_Gardner that seems pretty heavy handed... over the top.
 jimmiejo
2008-12-18 - 19:53:47 GMT | Message ID: 5131991
@wpcandy - you're late!
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 19:53:50 GMT | Message ID: 5131992
Great job with the 4 points there Matt. Thanks for that
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:53:51 GMT | Message ID: 5131993
Brian - the css, the graphics, the Javascript?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:54:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131995
all free themes prior to Rev 1 yes, and after Rev 1 yes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:54:00 GMT | Message ID: 5131996
@Brian_Gardner: What you're Twitter nick?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:54:18 GMT | Message ID: 5131999
http://twitter.com/bgardner
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:54:26 GMT | Message ID: 5132001
Welcome @WPCandy
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:54:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132006
Contact. NB: folk, you really gotta check out TalkShoePro ... free ... vy slick interface.
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 19:54:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132007
for an enterprise solution, though, i am hesitant to suggest wordress. expression engine has built in support for clients + developers.
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 19:55:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132008 | Parent Message ID: 5131999
Anyone get a master list of the Twitters that were posted? They went by fast. Thanks to those who friend'd me on there
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:55:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132009
Brian - Are you exploring child themes?
 Guest 58
2008-12-18 - 19:55:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132011
I really hope Matt address specifically what @106 is talking about soon.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:55:15 GMT | Message ID: 5132012
nope
 Guest 100
2008-12-18 - 19:55:34 GMT | Message ID: 5132015
@Brian_Gardner why not?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:55:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132017
@Brian: I'm not trying to be combative; I'm just trying to get to the underlying issues
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:55:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132018
only so much time in the day
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 19:55:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132021
@Brian_Gardner shouldn't you be at starbucks?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:56:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132022
haha
 Guest 100
2008-12-18 - 19:56:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132026
wouldn't it save you time, as users would be able to update easier?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:56:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132027
@chip, b/c it seems they don't want to endorse things that are nongpl
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:56:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132029
@DGold: mebbe at the end everyone can tweet #WPW (WordPressWeekly)
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:56:24 GMT | Message ID: 5132032
@kevin, yes, shouldn't you be responding to my gmail chat? :-)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:56:27 GMT | Message ID: 5132034
Brian - consider promoting child themes and having people make them for you - win / win
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:56:36 GMT | Message ID: 5132035
@Brian: how would hosting such a theme be considered an endorsement for non-GPL work?
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 19:56:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132037
@brian this is carl, not kev
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:56:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132039
6 degrees of separation
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:57:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132041
@carl, that explains it
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 19:57:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132043
Matt gave me this same example at FOWA
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:57:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132044
so how many degrees of separation are appropriate?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:57:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132049
that's not for me to answer Chip
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:57:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132050
Brian -people making child themes for you would be viral for your site
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:57:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132053
@66, so is having a banner on WP theme site
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 19:57:52 GMT | Message ID: 5132055
but point taken
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:58:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132059
what four points? I missed it, had to walk away
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:58:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132060
Brian - this would be grass roots however
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 19:58:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132062
ah - interesting
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 19:58:23 GMT | Message ID: 5132063
@Brian: true; it's for Matt to answer - which is why we want Jeff to ask him
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:58:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132064
your half way there
 Josh Budde
2008-12-18 - 19:58:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132065
Hello
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 19:58:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132066
.com is NOT required to be GPL? did he just say that?
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 19:58:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132068
while .org is?
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:58:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132069
I missed what Matt is talking about right now - what is he working on?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 19:58:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132076
I make a killer child theme based on your framework and you win
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:59:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132077
@tommy GPL and listing themes on .org
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:59:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132078
this is getting confusing
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 19:59:18 GMT | Message ID: 5132081
thanks @bentrem
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 19:59:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132085
@66 That's my focus: what's "derivative work"? I don't want to rip off / be ripped off.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 19:59:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132087
what about plugins, is it cool to sell Plugins? Or, would I get a pat on the hand for that?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:00:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132089
As a special exception to the GPL, any HTML file which merely makes function calls to this code, and for that purpose includes it by reference shall
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:00:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132090
be deemed a separate work for copyright law purposes
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 20:00:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132091
With Child themes I wonder at what point will devs try to prevent other devs from using their parent theme
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 20:00:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132092
Hey everybody, throw up your Twitter url: http://www.twitter.com/ruigato
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:00:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132093
he's talking about the wordpress.com theme store
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:00:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132094
@Guest66 - you can start a grassroots movement for my theme framework. ;)
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:00:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132096
that was meant for @tommy_day
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:00:26 GMT | Message ID: 5132098
@125 dont think they can
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 20:00:32 GMT | Message ID: 5132099
thanks @rocketgenius
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:00:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132101
good question!
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:00:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132102
justin wants more exposure to suck people in LOL
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:00:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132103
@66 you should post / tweet that clause. And it it calls core PHP?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:00:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132105
LMAO
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:00:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132107
Isn't the special exception that keeps popping up on the list an optional compononent of GP3?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:00:53 GMT | Message ID: 5132109
lol brian
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:01:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132111
bentrem - go to the GPL FAQ
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:01:24 GMT | Message ID: 5132113
no offense, but charging for things that have value is not a bad thing
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:01:24 GMT | Message ID: 5132114
*And that is fully the right of the theme author!*
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:01:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132115
@Guest125 - The good thing about the GPL is that we can build on top of others' work and continue making better parent themes.
 Guest 136
2008-12-18 - 20:01:32 GMT | Message ID: 5132117
Brian, will you post a summary of all this on your blog? It's totally confusing to me here :-(
 johnberr
2008-12-18 - 20:01:34 GMT | Message ID: 5132118
www.twitter.com/johnberr
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:01:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132119
I design. My stuff can be on the back of a napkin. 3 yrs work => 1 small diagram *poof* I'm poor.
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:01:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132122
@136, why me?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:01:56 GMT | Message ID: 5132125
I'm always trying to suck new folks in. ;)
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:01:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132126
what the heck
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:02:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132128
mike
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:02:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132129
who the hell's idea was it to do the show at this time
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:02:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132132
sup putan
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:02:13 GMT | Message ID: 5132133
@Brian, you are more organised
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:02:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132135
@johnberr Shouts from Edmonton
 Guest 136
2008-12-18 - 20:02:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132136
Brian, I thought this is your show - I just came from the link on your site
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:02:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132138
putang boobear*
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:02:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132139
wow, thanks.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:02:23 GMT | Message ID: 5132142
this is confusing, jeff needs to make a text overview
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:02:29 GMT | Message ID: 5132144
been a while!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:02:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132145
agreed nathan
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:02:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132146
@Brian, and i got here via you
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:02:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132148
haha
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:02:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132149
@136, nope - just dropped the link
 Guest 136
2008-12-18 - 20:02:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132151
I see
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:02:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132153
what is the consequence of breaking GPL?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:02:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132154
I agree with what Matt is saying right now
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:03:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132156
And yet, you deleted themes that *do* promote GPL philosophy
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:03:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132158
/me does transcribing. I might post text of this.
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 20:03:22 GMT | Message ID: 5132161
this is a key question. i've purchased great themes, but with poor support
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:03:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132164
A friend just launched a new business. Savvy guy, but not WP geek. Found a $$ theme and bought it.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:04:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132166
I think a child theme market will spring up
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 20:04:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132168
the key thing about good themes is not only a good front end, but nice setting in wp-admin
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 20:04:15 GMT | Message ID: 5132169
@66 It will have to.
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:04:22 GMT | Message ID: 5132170
some people just don't have the expertise to build a theme
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 20:04:23 GMT | Message ID: 5132171
I wonder what Matt thinks about Theme Forest
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:04:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132174
no firefox i don\t want to upgrade to 3.05 now
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 20:04:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132177
http://wpremix.com/ is a nice one
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:04:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132179
Sounds like Matt is agreeing with Revolution's model.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:05:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132181
my guess is that 1 out of every 5 paying customers actually needs support
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:05:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132182
please don't start spamming links here
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:05:13 GMT | Message ID: 5132183
So let's drop the "Matt's against premium themes"
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:05:18 GMT | Message ID: 5132184
agree nathan
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:05:27 GMT | Message ID: 5132186
"GPL" and "non-GPL"
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:05:29 GMT | Message ID: 5132187
I agree.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:05:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132188
...and are willing to pay for it
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:05:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132189
@nathanrice, you are absolutely right!
 jakilevy
2008-12-18 - 20:05:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132190
sorry about that - i wasn't looking to spam
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:05:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132192
@nathan There's support and "support". I give the first; charge major for the 2nd.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:05:53 GMT | Message ID: 5132193
i'm in the full theme market, so far its worked out well
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 20:05:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132194
@nathan ... I'd say it is higher than 1 in 5
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:06:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132196
@craig - believe me, it's not
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:06:35 GMT | Message ID: 5132200
the thing is many people don't know what they want till a few weeks down the line
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:06:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132203
then they keep coming back for little knick knacks
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:06:53 GMT | Message ID: 5132205
Matt: didn't you just say that you're not a lawyer? Why are you debating the legal basis of non-GPL licenses?
 MattKern
2008-12-18 - 20:06:56 GMT | Message ID: 5132206
Matt has expressed the view that child themes don't do it for him either.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:07:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132209
that's when you can make some nice money
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:07:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132210
Guest 147 is Ian Stewart wishing he could listen at work.
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:07:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132211
@72 So would you favor a theme that expires after a certain time?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:07:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132212
chip - his "opinions" are valid
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:07:15 GMT | Message ID: 5132214
i say we all solve this issue by switching over to movable type
 Guest 136
2008-12-18 - 20:07:32 GMT | Message ID: 5132216
What's the meaning of "child theme"?
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:07:34 GMT | Message ID: 5132217
hey ian
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:07:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132218
MT? oh yuck
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 20:07:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132219
@nathan, not what I see by the requests I get via R2
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 20:07:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132220
MTcandy? going to register right now
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:07:48 GMT | Message ID: 5132221
well not really, i design themes from the ground up for clients - so my clients can always come back to me
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 20:07:50 GMT | Message ID: 5132222
:)
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:07:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132223
Hey, WPCandy.
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 20:07:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132224
Argh!!! Pirates matey!!
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:07:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132226
lol i have mtcandy :P
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:08:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132229
136 - its built upon a parent theme - read themeshaper.com
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 20:08:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132230
damn Mike, expanding the empire
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:08:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132231
@66: valid? Non-GPL (proprietary) licenses have no legal teeth? Since when?
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:08:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132234
haha i actually want to sell mtcandy.. that's for another day
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:08:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132236
mtcandy? lol
 Guest 136
2008-12-18 - 20:08:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132237
Thanl, 66, I'll have a look
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:08:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132238
chip? huh?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:08:48 GMT | Message ID: 5132240
Uploaded commercial sound software to new box and got "You have reached your limit". Shysters.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:09:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132243
Oh Great lord of Child themes is here <Guest 149>. All Hail!
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:09:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132247
Kneel before guest 149!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:09:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132250
I didnt say that chip
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:09:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132251
somehow "premium themes" just don't sound exclusive to me
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:09:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132252
RFE: s/ "exclusivity" / "branding"
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:09:53 GMT | Message ID: 5132253
@66: are we saying the same thing?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:09:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132254
exclusivity is a HUGE reason people buy Premium themes
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:10:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132256
i mean everyone can get it for $79 - whatever and where's the exclusivity in that?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:10:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132260
Because people want them
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:10:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132261
why would one distribute free?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:10:15 GMT | Message ID: 5132263
My thought is that premium themes are protected chip
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:10:26 GMT | Message ID: 5132265
the css, the graphics, etc
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:10:27 GMT | Message ID: 5132266
the value is in both the theme and the support
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:10:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132267
Matt is right about support? That is where the need is.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:10:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132268
*shrug* I roll my own. Each unique. Most suck. ;-p
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:10:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132271
we buy innovation, reliability, and uniqueness
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:10:48 GMT | Message ID: 5132275
support, if the author will modify them for me without extra charge
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:11:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132277
would a premium theme developer do that for free for everyone that buys a theme?
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:11:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132279
Can someone quickly summarize the controversial points as they're said, Twitter style? Please?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:11:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132280
@66: then, yes, we agree. Matt said the opposite: that authors had no legal teeth with proprietary licenses in order to defend/protect their work
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:11:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132282
Cheers ... .org can list what it wants.
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:11:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132286
I've developed software for years and people will always try to get changes for free. But free won't pay the bills.
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:11:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132287
selling support does not scale
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:11:39 GMT | Message ID: 5132292
@116, I disagree
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:11:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132293
@116 -- GREAT point!!!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:11:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132297
@149 check out the GPL/themes thread in [WP-Hackers]
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:11:50 GMT | Message ID: 5132298
chip - the GPL seems to disagree with Matt then
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 20:11:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132299
selling support CAN scale... you just limit the number of support requests
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:11:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132300
@116 i disagree too
 MattKern
2008-12-18 - 20:12:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132304
@116 - I think it can
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:12:23 GMT | Message ID: 5132307
@66: yes, especially since GPL and CC have both held up in court already
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:12:29 GMT | Message ID: 5132309
heh
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:12:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132310
support does not scale compared to selling products
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:12:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132311
@55 correct
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:12:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132312
@55 better point! :-)
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:12:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132314
btw, my name is Hyder from weborithm dot com (for those i'm discussing with) :-)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:12:46 GMT | Message ID: 5132316
Matt just said it - legally he doesnt care
 MattKern
2008-12-18 - 20:12:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132317
@55 +1
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 20:12:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132318
@116 .... Microsoft makes the bulk of its $ from support
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 20:12:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132320
not selling software
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:13:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132321
@55 conversion doesn't scale, but when distribution is 10x that of selling, then the end product can.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:13:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132323
@116, 72, Brian, et al: why are we having this discussion? Where is the "freedom" in dictating a business model to theme developers?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:13:26 GMT | Message ID: 5132329
support doesnt scale IF it's a one man team.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:13:27 GMT | Message ID: 5132331
who would move from selling services (time) to products (passive income)?
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:13:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132332
Some people want everything done for them and are willing to pay for it. Others just need a little support. There is room for all.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:13:34 GMT | Message ID: 5132333
define "peeing in the pool"
 Guest 137
2008-12-18 - 20:13:36 GMT | Message ID: 5132334
@Craig_Tuller Really? It's not Windows and Office?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:13:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132337
@Guest55 - My theme club members have grown rapidly since switching to a support/services-based business model. In the WP world, people need support.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:13:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132338
How does offering a non-GPL theme "pee in the pool"? give me a break
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:13:46 GMT | Message ID: 5132339
@55 / Brian I've gone the extra mile with customers and *ting* gotten loyalty / cooperation / return business / word of mouth &tc.
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 20:13:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132340
@ptah ... you are right!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:13:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132341
@Brian - you only have so much time
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:13:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132343
and people
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:14:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132345
and with the rest of the world getting onlnie, even longer!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:14:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132346
One point here - Matt is dictating what happens on wp.org - Not the community
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:14:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132351
@PTAH: Support scales by making money and paying new support personnel
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:14:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132352
Triage: 1 person can do diamonds; need assemly line for burgers.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:14:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132353
@66 - yes
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:14:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132354
@55, that doesn't matter when you have people believing in the product and helping you support
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:14:22 GMT | Message ID: 5132355
my clients have recommended me forward because of my support. period.
 MattKern
2008-12-18 - 20:14:24 GMT | Message ID: 5132356
@55 its 2 different models - do you want to be a designer or a manger of time. That is the real issue.
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 20:14:34 GMT | Message ID: 5132357
@137 ... no, think of how many products MS gives away, there rev mostly comes from support.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:14:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132360
@66: Matt is *indirectly* dictating what exists outside wp.org
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:14:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132361
why isnt the community deciding what appears
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:14:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132364
@mark exactly. some people think they can go all out alone
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:14:52 GMT | Message ID: 5132365
@PTAH (or whoever): You can hire me to do support :-)
 Guest 137
2008-12-18 - 20:15:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132369
@Craig_Tuller That is a killer argument, do you have data for it? Or a link to something? Thanks.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:15:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132371
How about: Matt is active and assertive in .org ... as though he's in the center of it.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:15:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132374
I do that all day everyday for lots of people and companies.
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:15:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132376
The community gives Matt the authority to do this.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:15:18 GMT | Message ID: 5132378
100% WP support
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:15:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132379
@mark, hehe.. I'm a theme dev guy - how about you buy support from me?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:15:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132381
Matt makes a good point
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:15:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132384
love that he just said that
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:15:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132385
wrong thing?
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:15:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132386
LOL - I know PHP Kung Fu - sling my own code, do my own support
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:15:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132387
Brian is right. I have helped several plugin authors develop their plugins. If a person believes in a product, they will support it.
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 20:15:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132389
@137 ... I read that a few years ago, don't know if I can find it now or not
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:15:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132390
why is selling design and great programming wrong?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:15:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132392
isn't deleting a perfectly valid, GPL theme equivalent to that behavior?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:15:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132394
besides that GPL thing - lol
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:16:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132396
@Jeffro: you make hamburgers by the million, or you make diamonds. Distributed middle.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:16:27 GMT | Message ID: 5132398
@mark - The Force is with my php foo. Your odds are pretty slim!
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 20:16:39 GMT | Message ID: 5132399
It is just a shame you can't offer themes on WP Directory under a brand that also sells themes
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:16:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132400
@55 i don't think so but how to to encourage more usage and hence turnover?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:16:58 GMT | Message ID: 5132402
*Why does Matt want to shun valid contributions from theme authors, just because the offer non-GPL themes completely separate from wp.org?*
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:17:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132404
Ah, but I didn't mention that I'm also a PHP Jedi Master - Lol.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:17:22 GMT | Message ID: 5132407
complicated question
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:17:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132410
@chip Keep pushing on that; there's a pony in there somewhere.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:17:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132411
lmao! ok I give up.. I'll just have to show you what I'm capable of buddy.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:17:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132412
@bentrem: that's the key point, IMHO
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:18:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132415
ptah is the most capable man i know
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:18:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132416
Lol. There are lots of good PHP devs out there. Some can solve any problem, some can't...
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:18:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132417
he's quite sexy as well
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:18:20 GMT | Message ID: 5132420
oh god.
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:18:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132421
Andrew, hi!
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:18:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132423
@nathanrice: why is it a complicated question? There is no explicit/implicit endorsement by wp.org of something not on wp.org
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:18:32 GMT | Message ID: 5132424
btw, you coming to fowa miami bro?
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:18:39 GMT | Message ID: 5132425 | Parent Message ID: 5132421
Hey Kaspars.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:18:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132426
more than we need to know wpcandy :)
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:18:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132427
LOL... I once had a drink with Ptah. Good times. :)
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:18:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132428
I was talking about the ? jeff asked Matt :-)
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:18:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132429
dude, I'm road tripping down there!
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 20:18:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132430
yeah, Ptah's a good guy.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:19:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132431
Sounds like Matt's aiming at "Do no evil"
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:19:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132434
I could use a drink...
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:19:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132436
Chris, thats you!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:19:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132437
lol
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:19:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132438
@bentrem: that didn't work so well for Google, either
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:19:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132439
Yes sir. Howdy.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:19:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132441
plugins! plugins! can i sell them?
 WPCandy
2008-12-18 - 20:19:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132445
oh for real, when?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:19:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132448
@chip Easiest thing: don't make things that work. ;-)
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:19:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132453
JEFF the question is ... can you have a theme on wp.org, and sell a child theme on your site!!!
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:20:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132455
Penny, I london was awesome! glad u took me to that book store!
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:20:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132457
Can we just accept that themes *on wp.org* need to be GPL? I don't think very many people are arguing that point...
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:20:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132458
What do you think of this -- we are both plugin developers, we give all this stuff out for free. Isn't it fair that we demand the same from everyone
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:20:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132460
else?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:20:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132462
There we go. *waits for A.*
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:20:13 GMT | Message ID: 5132463
child theme = loophole???
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:20:29 GMT | Message ID: 5132467
child theme = no endorsement from WP.org
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:20:29 GMT | Message ID: 5132468
@Guest_72 sure you can, you just can't get it listed on wordpress.org's plugin directory
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:20:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132469
That's my hangup bentrem. I produced the WP Easy Uploader, won third place in a contest, and have only received $20 in donations in this many months.
 PennyM
2008-12-18 - 20:20:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132475
@Ptah - yeah Foyles is amazing.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:21:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132479
@ Brian - Respectfully, did Press75 come back up because the new model isnt paying as well?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:21:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132481
"what we're promoting" = "what is actually *on* wp.org"
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:21:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132482
... How can I make a living off of that? I guess I should have made it more difficult and charged for support.
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:21:13 GMT | Message ID: 5132484
Kaspars: You have a point. In essence contributions and benefits should be balanced.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:21:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132486
@chris I've gone independently poor doing fine pro bono. HeyHo.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:21:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132487
kaspars i actually only make plugins for sale
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:21:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132489
Prss75 isn't my site, so I can't answer
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:21:36 GMT | Message ID: 5132491
Press75
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:21:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132492
yes
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:22:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132493
you're partnered with Jason?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:22:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132494
If I have 1 Premium and 12 free, can those 12 be on .org? If I have 12 Premium and 1 free ...
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:22:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132497
you can't control the internet
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:22:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132498
Matt: so what's the standard?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:22:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132499
yes, but that is Jason's site, not mine
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:22:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132500
you can't completely act like the premium themes don't exist
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:22:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132502
yeah answer the question Matt
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:22:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132504
you cannot promote them
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:22:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132505
a new phrase - THEME NAZZI - (like soup nazzi)
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:22:46 GMT | Message ID: 5132506
heh
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:22:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132507
Andrew: Yes. Thats why I use opensource. Just because I can take and then contribute something back. And everyone can. Even those who write codex.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:22:50 GMT | Message ID: 5132508
but banning all links that link to a site that might link to another site that links to a premium theme site?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:22:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132510
Hosted themes that violate the hosting policy: nobody is questioning their deletion.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:22:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132511
thats just silly.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:22:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132512
@66 But Nazis don't come on TalkShoe to talk things through.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:23:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132515
just kidding
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:23:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132518
Why can't the Premium themes and free themes be clearly separate? Would that make a difference?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:23:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132519
I respect Matt
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:23:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132521
@Brian - OK - Has the OS model been more profitable for you?
 therangonagin
2008-12-18 - 20:23:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132524
@bentrem - thank you. I hate that term.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:23:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132525
Did Matt ever give a standard for Degrees of Separation? I just heard a lot of hedging...
 Jason Schuller
2008-12-18 - 20:23:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132528
@Guest 55 the 4 themes on Press75 were built long before my collaboration with BG. I simply re-released them under GPL because of the high demand.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:24:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132529
@chipbennett no he didn't really address it
 Guest 114
2008-12-18 - 20:24:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132530
no, he will not answer the question
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:24:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132533
So am I going to enjoy listening to this tonight?
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:24:20 GMT | Message ID: 5132534
@55, that's not the public's business, but what I will say is that I believe in distribution and that ultimately having a banner and being promoted
 Brian_Gardner
2008-12-18 - 20:24:27 GMT | Message ID: 5132536
on WordPress.org isn't a bad thing
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:24:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132537
ok so to sum things up: selling premium themes is ok.. you just wont get support from wp.org. Can you type that up Matt and post it?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:24:35 GMT | Message ID: 5132538
@authors, hy shoud you have it both ways?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:24:39 GMT | Message ID: 5132540
Jeff asked him the question directly; why couldn't he give us a straight answer?
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:24:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132542
Guest 72, you have the right to do it. However, do you use some of the other free plugins?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:24:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132545
Ptah sums it up
 Guest 114
2008-12-18 - 20:25:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132546
@chip cause he doesn't want to bind himself to a decision at this point
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:25:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132547
@chip Of course he's hedging; it's a slippery slope! Where do you see a clear line?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:25:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132548
@feed - fair enough - just trying to weigh the pros and cons of your model
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 20:25:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132552
I think he was clear.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:25:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132554
My line would be 0 degrees of separation (with respect to GPL/non-GPL themes)
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 20:25:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132555
Yea wordpress.org no longer for free adverts.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:25:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132556
Naww ... 'mattic is the root of all evuhl. ;-p
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:25:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132557
It's sounding like nothings been cleared up. Am I right?
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:25:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132560
It all seems perfectly clear to me 149
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:25:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132561
@149 right
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:26:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132562
149 - no
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:26:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132565
*Hosted* themes must be GPL; anything anywhere else (including on the author's website can be whatever the author wants)
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:26:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132566
@Brian - i understand. but being you've been on both sides, i thought you could lend some perspective.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:26:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132567
@149 sort of
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:26:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132568
I can see keeping WordPress safe from malicious code whether plugins or themes.
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:26:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132575
(I'm not listening right now, just following the chat)
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:26:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132580
It's clear selling products is a better model
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:26:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132582
less resources required
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:26:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132584
Now, if Matt wants to set policy that hosted themes can't link to splogs or malicious-code sites (or similar), I have no problem whatsoever with that
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:26:58 GMT | Message ID: 5132585
Matt - Jeff - what about child themes and wp.com?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:27:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132586
Matt: you're right, they're separate ... but there is a percieved conflict of interest with you making decisions for both entities
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:27:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132588
@chipbennett, why offer free when you choose to sell?
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:27:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132589
Linking to premium themes is fine as long as the link explains that.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:27:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132590
NB: GPL/Themes thread in [WP-Hackers] archive: http://tinyurl.com/46nqme
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:27:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132592
@chipbennett but what if you link to a site that does link to a premium theme site. where does it stop?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:27:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132594
@119: as a contribution to the community? To get word out about your work?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:27:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132600
@chipbennet but how to separate conribution and 'advertising?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:28:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132601
Who owns the WordPress trademark?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:28:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132602
@rocket: again, 0 degrees. What is on the author's site (or any deeper link level) should be irrelevant, with respect to GPL/non-GPL offerings
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:28:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132604
GPL / themes / plugins / "derivative" > http://tinyurl.com/46nqme
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:28:18 GMT | Message ID: 5132606
(I believe Automattic does)
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:28:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132612
@chipbennet wouldn't you contribute more via the GPL to encourage innovation?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:28:46 GMT | Message ID: 5132613
@119: should an author not be allowed to identify himself with a link to his website?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:29:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132614
@chipbennet, that is fine but u can't have it both ways, can u?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:29:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132615
@119: that's for each theme author to decide for himself, isn't it?
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:29:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132616
@chipbennett what if the site wordpress.org links to has no other links to the authors personal site, etc.?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:29:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132618
@119: have it both ways? how so?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:29:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132621
.org is life-blood. p.s. http://tinyurl.com/46nqme
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:29:36 GMT | Message ID: 5132622
@rocket: I don't understand the question
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:29:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132623
Why is everyone afraid of advertisement? Everything is marketing one way or another. Either you are marketing yourself, your work, or your site.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:29:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132624
so a completely stand alone site dedicated to that free GPL compliant theme with no links to anywhere else
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:29:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132629
What if I release a Theme framework and want to link to child themes on my site, some of which I want to sell?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:29:58 GMT | Message ID: 5132630
@chipbennet, if u sell premium do that; if you offer free then sell support
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:30:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132631
but the authors personal site has links to premium theme sites, but isn't linked to from the site dedicated to the free theme
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:30:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132636
@nathanrice: Wordpress trademark is registered to Automattic
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:30:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132637
plugins?
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 20:30:20 GMT | Message ID: 5132638
@rocket that would probably work
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:30:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132640
@rocket: I think that's what Matt wants. I think the theme author's site content should not be dictated by nor a concern of wp.org
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:30:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132642
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=47ptd1.1.1
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:30:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132643
@mark_e I thought so
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:31:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132649
The point is -- html/css and js can stand on its own. without php.
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 20:31:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132651
http://twitter.com/johnturner
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:31:36 GMT | Message ID: 5132655
And I echo the question: what is inherently wrong with self-advertising by a theme's author
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:31:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132656
spirit - lawyer speak
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:31:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132663
"letter" vs. "spirit"
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:32:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132664
god I love that word: spirit.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:32:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132668
*There is no such thing as "spirit" of the GPL*
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:32:16 GMT | Message ID: 5132671
@66 lol
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 20:32:18 GMT | Message ID: 5132673
hey peple, post your twitter url
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:32:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132674
@chipbennet nothing wrong but in what forum and way?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:32:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132676
heh "spirit = lawyer speak". how wrong is /that/?!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:32:23 GMT | Message ID: 5132677
how about plain english
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:32:48 GMT | Message ID: 5132687
"Don't confound me with meaning and impact, just give me clear words!"
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:33:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132694
Has Top Notch Themes been brought up? And Acquia's implied support of their business model?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:33:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132695
aka laymen terms.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:33:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132696
...in great part to the premium market
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:33:34 GMT | Message ID: 5132700
"Hard cases make bad law" ... when it ain't fuzzy, it ain't human.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:33:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132702
*When will this policy be applied to the Plugin Repository?*
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:33:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132704
Maybe "spirit" is like "intent" versus "letter" of the law.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:33:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132709
MICROSOFT going to a service business model is all about CONTROL !!!!!!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:33:54 GMT | Message ID: 5132711
Matt seems to believe the css and graphics are GPL inclusive - his spirit told me so
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:33:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132712
@chipbennet, how about 'spirit' = innovation = continuity
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:34:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132716
Microsoft has always been about control.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:34:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132721
why do you think matt's also the spokesman for wordpress and automattic? you have to be good at bullshitting when that is one of your roles.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:34:32 GMT | Message ID: 5132724
say a lot without actually saying a lot.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:34:35 GMT | Message ID: 5132725
Matt: they care about finding links to free themes on .org ... else it don't matter.
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:34:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132726
@66 Does Matt believe that inclusion by "spirit" applies to all themes? What about corporate WP sites?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:34:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132727
@119: but the GPL is not mutually exclusive from the concept of intellectual property
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:35:20 GMT | Message ID: 5132739
nor is the GPL mutually exclusive from a product-selling business model
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:35:24 GMT | Message ID: 5132740
@chipbennet that is right but what is the big picture?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:35:29 GMT | Message ID: 5132742
chris - exactly - are all themes (private made themes) considered GPL?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:35:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132747
can I go to bestgallery.com and rip every wp based site?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:35:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132748
no
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:35:55 GMT | Message ID: 5132749
@66 it doesn't matter. as long as you don't distribute it, you're allowed to keep it private
 Pavel Ciorici
2008-12-18 - 20:35:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132750
http://twitter.com/ciorici
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:36:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132752
@66 Yes, but you're not obligated to release something just 'cuz it's GPL.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:36:20 GMT | Message ID: 5132756
@119: To me, the big picture is that Matt is banning community contribution of valid, free, GPL themes...
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:36:26 GMT | Message ID: 5132759
@chipbennet, remember there are millions now as part of the mix and more with innovation and 'spirit', do u consider that at all?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:36:38 GMT | Message ID: 5132760
...simply because their authors also develop non-GPL themes (and do so completely separate from wp.org)
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:36:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132762
Here we go!!!!
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:36:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132763
YES PLUGINS!
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:36:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132765
@chipbenner thing is u can't have it both ways?
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:36:52 GMT | Message ID: 5132768
@149 but if Matt is implying that legally all CSS, JS, and images are GPL if they are part of a theme, all WP theme content is GPL...
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 20:36:52 GMT | Message ID: 5132769 | Parent Message ID: 5132536
This whole show can be summed up by Matt's statment... "DON'T PEE IN THE POOL!"
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:37:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132772
@119: why can't you?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:37:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132774
exactley chris
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:37:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132775
That means that no one can have protected images part of their custom or private theme.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:37:20 GMT | Message ID: 5132777
Mess with plugins and suddenly WP won't be nearly as functional until others step in and take up the slack, which would take time.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:37:26 GMT | Message ID: 5132780
@chipbennet, there is more in the big picture i believe?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:37:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132781
@ciorici Hey Pavel - I'm hoping folk Tweet using #WPW (WordPressWeekly)
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:37:30 GMT | Message ID: 5132782
there are plugins on wp.org that have paid counterparts
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 20:37:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132783
That is a dangerous stance to take as it will scare the crap out of coporations.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:37:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132784
@chipbennett I guess if Matt gets a bug up his ass and thinks marijuana smokers are against the spirit of WordPress... don't get caught smoking pot.
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:37:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132787
plugins ROCK!
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:37:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132788
So, not one single plugin author links to non-GPL plugins?
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:37:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132791
wpseo
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 20:37:58 GMT | Message ID: 5132796 | Parent Message ID: 5132775
wp-ecommerce... paid
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:38:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132798
Here is one: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wpseo/
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:38:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132799
YES - there are "bait" plugins in the repository!
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:38:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132801
Look UP!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:38:22 GMT | Message ID: 5132804 | Parent Message ID: 5132784
(testing TalkShoePro "reply" function)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:38:32 GMT | Message ID: 5132808
Yes there are plugins like that now on wp.org
 MattKern
2008-12-18 - 20:38:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132810
http://twitter.com/MattKern - hit me up. I will follow you back.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:38:58 GMT | Message ID: 5132813
@chipbennet i am not a theme author, i buy and will continue to buy. But i also like the idea of ensring innovation id not curtailed
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:39:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132817
"Simply because" is BS talk.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:39:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132819
@that is not a big picture at all!
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 20:39:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132823
Didn't wp-ecommerce lighten up it's prodding to purchased enhancements?
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:39:48 GMT | Message ID: 5132826
On extend: "The download is a fully functional version of wpSEO, which will stop working after 10 days. To continue using wpSEO after that, you..."
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:39:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132828
(Thank you, Jeff)
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:40:04 GMT | Message ID: 5132832
Could this be resolved by having "free" versions and "premium" versions? As long as people understand the difference, where is the problem?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:40:08 GMT | Message ID: 5132836
violates the license?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:40:26 GMT | Message ID: 5132842
Wow, way *not* to address my point, at all.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:40:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132844 | Parent Message ID: 5132842
IIRC, "... that's just the way the model works" ;-)
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:41:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132848
To encourage plugin developers -- how about making the DONATE button bigger on Extend?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:41:21 GMT | Message ID: 5132853
why can't you all agree on 'derivatives' royalties?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:41:24 GMT | Message ID: 5132855
kaspars lol
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:41:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132856
Ok so premium theme authors can sell their GPL based themes on their site. they just cant restrict their users to single/muti-use licenses. clear?
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 20:41:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132862
Damn.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:41:43 GMT | Message ID: 5132863
Celar.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:41:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132864
Thats what I,m hearin Ptah
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:41:50 GMT | Message ID: 5132870
"Clear"
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:41:56 GMT | Message ID: 5132871
Best limit the questions to not discussion the technicalities of GPL
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:42:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132872
Cellar?
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:42:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132875
Celery?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:42:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132876
@Ptah: perfectly clear; but how is our understanding any different now than it was 1:15 ago?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:42:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132877
BTW: TalkShoePro (free) has a great chat interface /and/ an audio function.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:42:53 GMT | Message ID: 5132885
lol
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:42:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132886
For the record, http://www.instinct.co.nz/e-commerce/shop/
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:43:03 GMT | Message ID: 5132888
@chip - same understanding for me. But, we at least got to hear Matt's point of view.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:43:09 GMT | Message ID: 5132891
so its all about distribution
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 20:43:10 GMT | Message ID: 5132892
wpsecrets.net - Forbidden
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:43:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132894
@66 yes
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:43:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132898
@Guest66 - The GPL is all about distributions.
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:43:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132901
@66 wrt the GPL, it always has been
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:43:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132903
Again: GPL/themes/plugins &tc on [WP-Hackers] > http://tinyurl.com/46nqme ... and please tweet #WPW
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:44:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132905
!!!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:44:01 GMT | Message ID: 5132906
bot lots of ppl dont get that
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:44:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132908
Well how about that.
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:44:23 GMT | Message ID: 5132914
@ruigato: Site is not open the public yet - but you can go to my other site: simplercomputing.net
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 20:44:47 GMT | Message ID: 5132919
will Matt support theme authors selling GPL themes but not restricting the license?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:44:57 GMT | Message ID: 5132922
so have a business where you model is one on one - doing private installation/customization
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:44:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132923
not on .org ... right
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:45:02 GMT | Message ID: 5132925
your
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:45:05 GMT | Message ID: 5132926
@mjepson - yes, probably
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 20:45:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132928
remix has single and multi use license
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:45:13 GMT | Message ID: 5132929
If a person is going to modify a theme, they should be required to take the author's name off.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:45:31 GMT | Message ID: 5132932
BrianG said that he's going fine financially. support scales for him. business is good.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:45:37 GMT | Message ID: 5132936
doing*
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:45:40 GMT | Message ID: 5132937
*Jeff: use "GPL" and "non-GPL" in order to be clear*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:45:42 GMT | Message ID: 5132938
@124 "Modify" then claim full credit for the entire work?!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:45:44 GMT | Message ID: 5132939
so what about ppl demanding a link back to them on their GPL themes
 Guest 172
2008-12-18 - 20:45:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132941
hi
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 20:46:07 GMT | Message ID: 5132945
@nathan - I'd love to hear Matt's definite answer on that, so it gives us something to think about :
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 20:46:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132947
)
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:46:13 GMT | Message ID: 5132948
@66: such a restriction is in violation of the GPL
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 20:46:19 GMT | Message ID: 5132952
If it's GPL you can modify it.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:46:25 GMT | Message ID: 5132954
so many demand it chip
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:46:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132955
They can release themes on their own sites.
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:46:35 GMT | Message ID: 5132958
The contention is that in ADDITION to the fully compliant GPL themes Matt wants to prohibit theme authors from promoting premium themes on their site.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:46:39 GMT | Message ID: 5132959
what about Matt and that issue?
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:46:45 GMT | Message ID: 5132961
@66: that demand can freely, legally, and ethically be ignored
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:46:48 GMT | Message ID: 5132962
Matt: can't impute motive ... .org links to free theme ... and if the site sells others, so what?!
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:46:50 GMT | Message ID: 5132963
@bentrem No, I'm talking about someone who might take a good theme and turn it into trash. Bad advertising.
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 20:46:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132964
What about having to pay to remove the footer?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:46:58 GMT | Message ID: 5132968
Jeff - what about GPL theme authors demanding a link back?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:47:11 GMT | Message ID: 5132970
but if the free theme is feature rich.. everybodies happy
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:47:28 GMT | Message ID: 5132972
@162 how about having to contribute to reomve the footer?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:47:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132974
*preen*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:47:41 GMT | Message ID: 5132976
Jeff: that's my Q ... not my view.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:47:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132978
good answer
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:47:51 GMT | Message ID: 5132979
matt's point is very valid
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:47:52 GMT | Message ID: 5132980
@162, that is to keep you innovating and pay the bills?
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:48:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132981
wordpress can do what they want with their site
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:48:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132982
ftw
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:48:13 GMT | Message ID: 5132984
(back, FF crashed - guess FF doesn't like being in TalkShoe for 3 hours :) )
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:48:14 GMT | Message ID: 5132985
.org can link to orange themes only. And die. heh
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:48:17 GMT | Message ID: 5132986
Habari?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:48:23 GMT | Message ID: 5132987
OMG
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:48:33 GMT | Message ID: 5132988
I knew you would Andrew.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:48:46 GMT | Message ID: 5132989
Please don't use the "H" word. WordPress rules.
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 20:48:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132990
I have a quick question that is not theme related.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:48:49 GMT | Message ID: 5132991
how do you regard wp as now, just a blog platform or a cms?
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:48:52 GMT | Message ID: 5132992
What can Matt do to attract the top theme developers?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:48:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132993
Jeff m- How does Matt feel about GPL themes demanding a link back - will he remove those as well?
 Guest 149
2008-12-18 - 20:48:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132994
Lol @Andrew for "Habari"
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 20:48:59 GMT | Message ID: 5132995 | Parent Message ID: 5132990
is it gpl related?
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:49:00 GMT | Message ID: 5132996
Matt: Will you check the plugins repository to find GPL violators?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:49:12 GMT | Message ID: 5132997
@72 I stayed away for years. Now I'm working w/WP2.7 and WPMU 2.6.5
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 20:49:18 GMT | Message ID: 5132998
No, it is related to the trade mark issue
 chipbennett
2008-12-18 - 20:50:06 GMT | Message ID: 5132999
Good question, Mark: *When will the Plugins Repository be reviewed/culled of similar violating contributions?*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:50:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133000 | Parent Message ID: 5132995
Pimp TalkShoePro client ... it has mic funtion built in.
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:50:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133001
wow
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:50:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133002
so fast
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:50:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133003
thats me :)
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 20:50:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133004
wp-ecommerce?
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:50:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133005
LOL wow you guys just screwed wp-SEO
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:50:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133006
thats pretty funny
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 20:50:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133007
posting on forum?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:50:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133008 | Parent Message ID: 5132985
@86 WP-fill.your.boots
 Mark E
2008-12-18 - 20:50:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133009
HOW ABOUT DO IT LIKE CRAIGS LIST? "FLAG THIS PLUGIN" LINK?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:50:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133010
lol
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:51:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133011
JEFF ASK THIS Matt - What is your take on GPL released theme authors demanding a link back? Will they be removed from the directory?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:51:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133013
@124, how about getting them known to 'sell' support or selling centrally under GPL ot ensure a cut for them?
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 20:51:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133014
AGREED, GUESS66
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:51:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133015
2.7 seemed like a good community effort.
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 20:51:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133017
Jeffro: how about a report link in each plugin page to make it easier?
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:51:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133018
@66 good question
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 20:51:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133019
@66 good question
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:51:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133020
1) random not allowed, 2) chaos is information rich, 3) work it out ... _praxis_. Evidence-based.
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 20:51:56 GMT | Message ID: 5133021
66, that is a clear violation of GPL. Matt said he would remove non-GPL.
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 20:52:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133022
no one else has vudio questions? lol
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 20:52:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133023
audioo
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:52:26 GMT | Message ID: 5133024
@119 Right. There needs to be something to promote and attract the best theme developers.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:52:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133026
Lets hear Matt address it
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:52:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133027
How about putting a checkbox to remove/keep the link back to the theme author's site, which is what I done with my last theme?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 20:52:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133028
Question: For those of us in the 'grey area', how do we find out if our sites/themes are complaint with the theme repository?
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 20:52:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133029
*knock on wood that Matt will NOT be hit by a bus*
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 20:52:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133030
I think GPL is quite clear. It is resistance to it that creates the confusion.
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 20:53:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133034
What if my Support/help documents are on my site?
 BBMedia
2008-12-18 - 20:53:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133035
so is anyone going to tell the german company that their wpseo plugin has been removed from wp.org
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:53:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133036
Many ppl say that MATT / jeff
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:53:30 GMT | Message ID: 5133037
How about what Justin has done n the link?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:53:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133038
How about getting the 'top stuff-themes and plugins centrally downloaded/used for a small fee (but with no restrictions) to ensure they are rewarded.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:53:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133040 | Parent Message ID: 5133023
From @ryanhellyer: "how to find out if sites/themes are compliant". TOS for .org?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 20:54:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133041
It is not specific enough
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:54:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133043
i believe the numbers and growth will ensure comfort of all 'good' talent
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:54:12 GMT | Message ID: 5133044
1 for ryan's Q.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:54:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133045
+1*
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 20:54:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133046
I hope Justin just heard that
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:54:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133047
I've found that many users still link back. But, it gives theme more of a choice.
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:54:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133048
@119 Who would judge what is the "top stuff"?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:55:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133050
@124, th community by vote or whatever- just my view!
 Guest 58
2008-12-18 - 20:55:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133051
Agree with @ryanhellyer, not specific enough, a bit too subjective.
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:56:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133053
@119 It's a good idea. How about a system of credits for people who help authors with plugins and theme?
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 20:56:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133054
press *8 to talk
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:56:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133056 | Parent Message ID: 5133020
@ryan / @58 I bet you could get feed-back re: compliance on [WP-Hackers]
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 20:56:12 GMT | Message ID: 5133057
or request to talk to ask your question
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 20:56:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133058
nows your chance
 Guest 114
2008-12-18 - 20:56:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133060
since we're playing the semantics game, did he not have a problem with the name "buddypress" before they were acquired?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:56:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133061
@that as well, the point innovation is crucial to growht, and pple have to pay bills
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:56:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133062 | Parent Message ID: 5133056
There ... thanks Jeff.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:56:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133063
@124
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 20:56:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133064
TO MATT: If a theme developer is selling both free and premium themes, what would he have to do to not be considered a criminal? Make diff. websites?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 20:57:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133065
thank you matt
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:57:09 GMT | Message ID: 5133066 | Parent Message ID: 5133056
Again: http://tinyurl.com/46nqme is the GPL thread.
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:57:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133067
@119 I can see the community growing if a system of credits were installed.
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 20:57:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133069
Jeff, I can take a crack if you want.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:58:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133070 | Parent Message ID: 5133058
And next week I'm gonna write an OS for Firefox.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 20:58:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133071
CSS "doesn't work" by itself either
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:58:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133072
@124, i am only a user and quite new to WP but i see the potential in ease great. Furthered by the brilliant 'paid' premium authors and the community.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 20:58:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133073
@guest85 yes, he already addressed this. make a different site for the free theme. don't use it as a way to promote your premium themes.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 20:58:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133074
@124 for the good of the bigger picture (more of the world getting online) there is money for all
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 20:58:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133075
The point is to quit trying to avoid the GPL and get with the program.
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 20:59:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133076
Jeffro: on that topic, that derivative work applies to plugins
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:59:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133077 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
+5 @justin
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 20:59:23 GMT | Message ID: 5133078
+99999999 @justin
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 20:59:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133079
@119 I've developed software for over 25 years. My code was all compiled so open source is new to me.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 20:59:51 GMT | Message ID: 5133080 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
How'bout this: if /your/ code needs /my/ code to run, then don't rip me off.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:00:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133082 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
TOS?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:00:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133083
terms of service.
 Guest 124
2008-12-18 - 21:00:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133084
@bentrem - That sounds good!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:00:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133085 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Give us some boiler-plate to hammer on.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:00:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133086
Matt, here's the link to my site/theme creation point ... http://pixopoint.com/generator/?generatoron
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:01:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133087
MATT - Exactly what business models, built around WordPress, would you suggest?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:01:23 GMT | Message ID: 5133089
Oops ... http://pixopoint.com/generator/?generator=on
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:01:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133090 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Somebody got a link to any Codex pages?
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:01:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133091
paid premium theme wouldn't work without wordpress
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 21:01:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133095
neither would a child theme
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:02:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133098
paid premium theme that use wordpress plugin wouldn't work either
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:02:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133099 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
@ryan No link on your Twitter Profile? *blink*
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:02:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133101
what's the FINAL say on those premium theme?
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 21:02:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133102
Would Matt consider an advetising directory separate from the repository that is clearly linked. Digg style?
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:03:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133104
the main question to the recent question is: does it contain wordpress code
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:04:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133105 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
@162 Simpler: does it require WP to run.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:04:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133106
MATT - Exactly what business models, built around WordPress, would you suggest?
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 21:04:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133107
Also, isn't Kubrick GPL, therefore isn't every theme a derivative of that?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:05:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133108
@Andrew Rickmann, that is interesting!
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:05:26 GMT | Message ID: 5133110
BUT ... akismet come with EVERY download of WP
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:05:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133111
@bentrem: exactly
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:06:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133114
@bentrem Now there is! Thanks for letting me know :)
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:06:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133115
uh oh, matt's gone
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:06:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133116
oh man my  really did go out
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:06:26 GMT | Message ID: 5133117
one minute
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:06:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133119
Jeff did a pretty good interview today.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:06:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133121 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
@ryan sooo yuh gonna follow me back? ;-p
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:06:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133122
LOL
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:06:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133125
he's back
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:06:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133126
MATT - Exactly what business models, built around WordPress, would you suggest?
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 21:06:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133127
skype credit :)
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 21:07:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133128
the fake matt is in
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 21:07:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133129
that happens so often
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 21:07:06 GMT | Message ID: 5133130
Good stuff Jeff!
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:07:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133131
that's the fake matt
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:07:09 GMT | Message ID: 5133132 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Jeffro: pimp TalkShoePro ... mic function built in.
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:07:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133133
plugging the  back in
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:07:12 GMT | Message ID: 5133134
There he is!
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:07:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133135
this is real matt
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:07:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133136
No, That's me saxmatt.
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:07:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133137
this episode is NOT sponsored by the i
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:07:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133138
yeah, "Matt Mullenweg" logged in for a second there :-)
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:08:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133140
matt mullenweg: do you think you could help me out with some of my email, too?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:08:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133141 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Kludge / klooge / klueje
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:08:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133143
darn s/he left!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:08:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133144 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
FYI: http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-hackers/
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:08:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133145
@saxmatt haha!
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:08:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133147
isn't everything being built upon wordpress?? it wouldn't work without wordpress
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 21:08:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133149
free wordpress... paid themes? doesnt figure
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:09:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133154
I clicked on "talkshoe pro" and my browser window closed
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:09:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133155
Question - so the fact a theme is made for WP, requires that the GPL is in place versus the developers "license"?
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:09:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133158
55: if it's distributed, yes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:09:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133159 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
@sax: Pro closes the web popup ... runs as its own client.
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:09:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133160
JEFFRO: themes that include plugin?
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:10:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133162
JEFFRO: sidebar = wordpress??
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:10:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133164 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
@162 does the sidebar work w/o wp code?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:10:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133166
@sax - any plans on changing the name of "sidebar" to something else more generic?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:10:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133168
I think matt's  battery ran out
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:11:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133170
@bentrem we can ask that for all cases
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:11:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133172
ptah: yeah I think widgets could be a lot more flexible than just sidebar items
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:11:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133173
matt has left the building
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:11:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133176
MATT COME BACK lol
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:11:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133177 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
7PM eastern ... 4PM PST?
 Guest 171
2008-12-18 - 21:11:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133178
are my blog post ARE BELONGZ to WP as well?
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:11:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133179
ptah: the problem becomes that would make it a lot harder to develop a theme
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:11:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133180
+999999999 to changing the name of "sidebar"
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 21:11:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133183
Widgets will be renamed Content Holes.
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 21:11:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133185
ok its about time to quit listening now
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:11:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133186
85:  is almost back on
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 21:11:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133188
getting bored
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:11:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133192
jeffro:  is rebooting
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:11:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133195
lol
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 21:11:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133196
sidebar will be a Content Trench
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:11:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133198
So sell XHTML/CSS themes and if they want a WP version - you will need to personally install it and state that it is not for distribution.
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:11:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133199
171: of course not
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:11:56 GMT | Message ID: 5133200
Thanks Matt!
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:11:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133201
yes matt change sidebar in the plugin area to somethign else
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:12:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133203
 = BSOD
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:12:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133205
Does that sound right Matt?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:12:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133206
So sell XHTML/CSS themes and if they want a WP version - you will need to personally install it and state that it is not for distribution.
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:12:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133207
okay calling in
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:12:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133208
@66, what?
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 21:12:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133210
I don't mind releasing GPL themes, my issue is the additional restriction about what content is on my website
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:12:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133212
Great job Jeffro!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:12:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133214
thanks
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:12:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133217
You mean sell the xhtml/css with RESTRICTION, and install wordpress as a separate entity that they can do whatever they want with?
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 21:12:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133219
I'm back
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:12:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133220 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Threaded comments, finally!
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 21:12:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133221
love it
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:13:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133222
2.7 much easier to update plugin
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:13:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133225
85 you would not be distributing it
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:13:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133226 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Now gotta get custom head into WPMU.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:13:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133228
MATT: Say I have a site offering free themes AND premium themes, but there are no restrictions to what a purchaser can do with any either. this is ok?
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 21:13:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133231
lol
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 21:13:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133234
Jeff, see my previous question.
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 21:13:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133235
@85 +1
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:13:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133236
@sax - so now that you've stated your opinion about the themes issue.. any plans to post this up on the codex or somewhere?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:14:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133237 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
_Moi_
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:14:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133239 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
*evuhl seductive grin*
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 21:14:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133240
why doesn't Matt blog about his view on GPL & Prem themes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:14:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133241 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Matt: post of repository TOS on Codex?
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 21:14:56 GMT | Message ID: 5133242
come on ... who needs sleep
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:15:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133247
Magento is doing this.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:15:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133249
Magento is doing whaT?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:15:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133250
yeah?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:15:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133251
MATT - doing a custom theme for a client intended for them only, is not considered distribution?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:15:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133252
commerical directory
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:16:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133255 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
GPLv3 had an awesome comment function. "Stet" I think it was called.
 Guest 182
2008-12-18 - 21:16:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133256
Matt: We created our website (www.tastingvancouver.ca) using wordpress 2.6.5 and don't feel ready to upgrade to 2.7 - will there be more 2.6 updates?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:16:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133257
!182, mo
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:16:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133258
no
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:16:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133263
security updates = yes
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:16:56 GMT | Message ID: 5133264
182 - upgrade, its way better
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:17:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133267
oops, sorry
 Guest 182
2008-12-18 - 21:17:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133270
ok so there will be security upgrades for 2.6 ?
 Guest 182
2008-12-18 - 21:17:30 GMT | Message ID: 5133275
@66: we dont feel comfortable yet because our site is SOO custom - might break!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:17:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133276
182 - dont think history shows that
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:17:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133277 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
Folks: at some point tweet #WPW or #WordPressWeekly so we can search hashtag.
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 21:17:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133279
182 upgrade is now 2.7
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:18:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133284
First tried out version 1.2 of WordPress.
 Guest 182
2008-12-18 - 21:18:09 GMT | Message ID: 5133286
i might have to do a image and try the upgrade before upgrading on our live site
 Guest 175
2008-12-18 - 21:18:12 GMT | Message ID: 5133288
@182: You should set up a duplicate copy of your site (maybe with fake content) and then upgrade that, to see how it works.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:18:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133294
MATT: Say I have a site offering free themes AND premium themes, but there are no restrictions to what a purchaser can do with either. Is this is ok?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:18:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133295 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
/me first backed away slowly from 1.2
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:18:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133297
Kudos on 2.7 Matt
 Guest 182
2008-12-18 - 21:18:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133299
175: yep definitely!
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 21:18:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133300
182, I have upgraded a dozen live sites with no problems
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:18:51 GMT | Message ID: 5133302
duplicate site doesn't have to have fake content
 Guest 182
2008-12-18 - 21:19:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133303
Matt: How was AUSTRALIA ? ??
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 21:19:09 GMT | Message ID: 5133306
Ha... I have a hacked up WP 2.0 Kubrick theme.. upgrading to WP 2.7 went flawless so far.
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 21:19:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133308
If you have a msql database, why bother with wordpress. Build your own stuff!
 Guest 175
2008-12-18 - 21:19:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133310
well, sometimes it's easier to use fake cotnent than to try to make a copy of a big site
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:19:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133312
MATT: your photo feeds take up the entire page!!!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:19:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133313
@68 - time restrictions
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:19:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133316
@68, umm because not everyone is a developer
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 21:19:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133317
Very true. It's interesting how it evolved from crazyhorse
 Craig_Tuller
2008-12-18 - 21:19:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133319
182, I even upgraded a client site that was still on 2.2 w/o problem
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:20:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133325 | Parent Message ID: 5132997
@Jeffro: will repository TOS be posted on Codex?
 Andrew Rickmann
2008-12-18 - 21:20:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133330
In the next Terminator movie we find out Matt is from the future.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:20:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133332
lol
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:20:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133334
If Matt was a WP designer/developer starting a business, what business model would he adapt if he was starting on a shoestring?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:21:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133336
haha
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:21:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133338
@55 +1
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:21:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133341
When will we see more themes added?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:21:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133343
+1 @55
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:21:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133344
@55 +1
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:21:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133347
Matt, stop beating around the bush, just say, if we don't like what's on your site, you aren't getting any link love
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:21:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133354 | Parent Message ID: 5133330
That's praxis in action: if it ain't updated, it ain't being read.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 21:22:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133359
Finally!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:22:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133362 | Parent Message ID: 5133330
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 21:22:30 GMT | Message ID: 5133364
Can I have commit access to that?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:22:43 GMT | Message ID: 5133366 | Parent Message ID: 5133330
"Change management" ... I did that for MIL-SPEC avionics R&D tech_docs.
 Guest 189
2008-12-18 - 21:22:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133369
bentrem, is that the link to what Matt is talking about?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:23:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133374
QUESTION FOR MATT - If I make a custom theme for a client and install it, have I then distributed it? Can the client then freely redistribute as GPL?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:23:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133375
that's a good idea
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:23:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133380
face to face?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:23:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133381
lol
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:23:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133387
@66 - Yes.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:23:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133391
+1 @66
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:24:02 GMT | Message ID: 5133392 | Parent Message ID: 5133330
Some folk get paid to research. *sigh*
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 21:24:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133393
and advancer seach is a must have. we should be abble to search by type, wp version, etc
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 21:24:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133394
+1 @66
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:24:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133395
Jeffro: If Matt was a WP designer/developer starting a business, what business model would he adapt if he was starting on a shoestring?
 Guest 189
2008-12-18 - 21:24:23 GMT | Message ID: 5133396
Justin, are you sure about that?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:24:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133401
So all the custom made themes on bestgallery.com css mania, etc are free to copy
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 21:24:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133402
when will this "Instruction Book" beincluded? WP 2.8?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:24:51 GMT | Message ID: 5133403 | Parent Message ID: 5133330
@ruigato That's what I'm working on for news items; kinda multi-variate. tag / category / subject / topic ...
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 21:25:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133406
good news bentrem
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 21:25:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133407
If the focus was... "create the best blogging software for free" then bug fixes would be always priority. But they never are...
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:25:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133409
MATT: Say I have a site offering free themes AND premium themes, but there are no restrictions to what a purchaser can do with either. Is this is ok?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:25:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133411
Since I'm not a lawyer, I can't be completely sure. Neither can Matt. But I would argue that that's the case.
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 21:25:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133413
bentrem> check http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,advsearch/Itemid,35/
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 21:25:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133414
@85 +1
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 21:25:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133416
QUESTION FOR MATT: Instruction booklet? Scheduled for which version? WP2.8, by chance?????
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:26:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133418 | Parent Message ID: 5133330
It's close now ... separate ... pretty close.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:26:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133422
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:27:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133427
@ruigato This "Pro" interface doesn't allow copy ... DM that link to me?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:27:23 GMT | Message ID: 5133433
BuddyPress can really get big if done right
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 21:27:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133438
DM? sorry for being dumb :P
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 21:27:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133440
Good question @55
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:28:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133450
;-)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:28:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133452
Ayup ... give away french-fries and sell steak.
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:28:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133457
does anyone know if bbpress will ever have phpbb import?
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:28:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133461
@bentrem I think you have that backwards :-)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:29:43 GMT | Message ID: 5133468
@nathan Oooh, juicy topic. see you on -hackers! ;)
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 21:29:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133472
What was the answer? Have a good looking site?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:30:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133481
M$ model: sell the software then get it to work.
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:30:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133483
@bentrem lol
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:30:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133488
QUESTION FOR MATT - If I make a custom theme for a client and install it, have I then distributed it? Can the client then freely redistribute as GPL?
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 21:30:51 GMT | Message ID: 5133493
No it doesn't!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:30:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133494
Know what sucks in OS? I've edited a gazillion docs over 15 years ... and 0.00 cred.
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 21:31:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133495
Your client theme doesn't need to be GPL
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 21:31:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133497
There are a lot of tickets that have patches that aren't committed
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:31:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133501
would like to hear Matts take though
 Guest 125
2008-12-18 - 21:31:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133502
He has already addressed it
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:31:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133504
Not that specific point
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:31:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133506
@saxmatt: Bloatware. Any plans on pulling some features out of WP like import and have that as a plugin?
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:32:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133512
It's not work for hire
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:32:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133513
It doesn't qualify
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:32:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133515
as a theme developer, I can say that (in general) it would be a bad move to make your themes easy to use, if you depend on the support model as income
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:32:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133519
I hope I'm wrong though :-)
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:32:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133520
http://www.elevatethemes.com/
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:32:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133521
@nathan - I hope not.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:32:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133522
@nathan That's my point: steak is /for sale/.
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:32:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133523
Work for hire only works, in these cases if you are an employee of a company. Contract work is not the case unless you get them to sign over the copyr
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:32:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133524
include the license
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:32:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133526
@nathan lol
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:33:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133528
Thanks Matt and Jeff for answering
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:33:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133531
I'd rather build a kick-ass theme and keep working on more feature rich and quality themes instead of doing support.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:33:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133532
separate download
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:33:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133535
If I have a site offering free AND premium themes, but there are no restrictions to what a purchaser can do with either. Is this is ok?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:34:02 GMT | Message ID: 5133536
but theres trade offs to both sides.
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 21:34:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133537
Thanks! :)
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:34:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133538
Thanks for reading that Jeff
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:34:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133541
I have one
 ruigato
2008-12-18 - 21:34:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133542
i must go.. By people. see you on Perfcast in 2h33m
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:34:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133543
BIG THANK YOU TO MATT!
 rocketgenius
2008-12-18 - 21:34:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133544
MATT: If I create a plugin that is GPL and freely distributed but interacts with a service via an API that does require a subscription, is this okay?
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:34:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133545
CTRL+ALT+BINGO!
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 21:35:06 GMT | Message ID: 5133546
Matt, would you come to WordCamp Indianapolis?
 Guest 116
2008-12-18 - 21:35:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133548
YIPPE
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:35:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133549
Matt: theme repository TOS on Codex?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:35:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133550
@saxmatt: Any plans on pulling features out of WP like import and have that as a plugin? Trying to push WP more as a platform
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:35:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133551
Thank you Matt!
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:35:51 GMT | Message ID: 5133552
@Matt i think that is great vision of furthering WP, and i hope as many developers get onboard!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:35:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133553
@ptah +1
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:36:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133554
For Matt: You do not want people to use "wordpress" in their url, etc, where is the line? for instance, this podcast is called "WordPress Weekly?"
 Guest 175
2008-12-18 - 21:36:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133555
Ptah: -1, it wouldn't help to make importers separate, since the idea is to get more people to use WP.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:36:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133556
@Nathan - how you gonna make $$$
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:36:26 GMT | Message ID: 5133557
We need more help over on bbPress.org. 1.0 is behind.
 Guest 175
2008-12-18 - 21:36:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133558
However, making the importers more pluggable would make a lot of sense
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:36:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133559
if only you all can focus on addressing conerns of fries and steak1
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:36:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133564
MATT: any plans of a phpbb importer??
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:37:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133566
K ... so Codex isn't catch-all.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:37:23 GMT | Message ID: 5133568
ThemeHybrid.com will have bbPress themes once 1.0 is out.
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:37:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133569
MATT: importer for bbpress
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:37:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133570
HEY MATT - WE LOVE YOU! THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO!
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:37:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133576
THANK YOU MATT FOR THIS
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:38:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133592
GPL chat on Codex ... going to many directions.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:38:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133605
MATT YOU ARE AWESOME
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:38:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133606
can i distribut this chat?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:38:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133607
Again: http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-hackers/
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:38:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133608
aw, no conspiracy :(
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:38:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133609
THANK YOU MATT!!!!!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:39:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133613
No smoking gun ... no scandal? Ah-Ha! Busted!
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:39:06 GMT | Message ID: 5133615
AWESOME!
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:39:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133616
Yeah!!!!!!
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:39:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133617
Meatatarian FTW!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:39:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133618
Ded-cow rulez.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:39:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133619
Meat! Meat! Meat!
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 21:39:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133621
Go Meat!
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 21:39:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133622
lol
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:39:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133623
Come to Memphis for the best BBQ in the world!
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:39:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133624
:D
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:39:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133625
WP Weekly is a derivative of WordPress, right?
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:39:43 GMT | Message ID: 5133626
Thank you Matt!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:39:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133627
lol justin
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:39:56 GMT | Message ID: 5133628
great show
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 21:40:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133629
explains the great BBQ at wordcamp SF
 Guest 110
2008-12-18 - 21:40:02 GMT | Message ID: 5133630
aussie bbq
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 21:40:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133631
Thanks Matt!
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:40:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133632
the longest Podcast I have EVER listened to
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:40:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133633
Until 7
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:40:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133634
I will fight anybody who disses Memphis BBQ! ;)
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:40:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133635
No shock there
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:40:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133636
Thanks Jeffro! Much appreciated!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:40:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133642
At least I didn't have to record this on. Thanks Jeffro ... tweet #WordPressWeekly folks!
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:40:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133648
Anyone: I missed the first half of the cast. What was the controversy?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:40:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133652
I don't recall listenin to a three hour long WP Weekly episode before
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:40:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133658
Matt - why cant I sort my categories better in 2.7 admin?
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:41:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133659
Controversy = VEGETARIANISM
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:41:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133660
LOL
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:41:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133662
yay@!
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:41:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133663
Meatitarians FTW!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:41:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133664
Still on? kewl
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 21:41:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133665
that was great! thanks Jeff and Matt!
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:41:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133666
thank you matt
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:41:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133668
For Matt: You do not want people to use "wordpress" in their url, etc, where is the line? for instance, this podcast is called "WordPress Weekly?"
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:41:44 GMT | Message ID: 5133669
IS this like Oprah - after the show?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:41:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133670
Matt - why cant I sort my categories better in 2.7 admin?
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 21:41:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133671
that made the last couple hours of work go by a lot faster :)
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:41:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133672
Any plans on pulling features out of WP like import and have that as a plugin? Trying to push WP more as a platform
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 21:42:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133673
Matt - I also have the question about a plugin that is under GPL but ties into a subscription service. Is that OK?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:42:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133674
Automattic is the center of the galaxy. 42!
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:42:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133675
PLUS if you don't actively protect your trademark, you can lose it
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:42:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133676
@Matt - Widgets Per page 2.8 release?
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 21:42:30 GMT | Message ID: 5133677
Ive developed a flash calendar for wordpress and want to give it away free. whats the best way to go about getting it out to people?
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:42:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133678
So, you don't mind Wordpress in a plugin or theme title?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 21:42:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133679
@68 - post the url here
 Michael_Torbert
2008-12-18 - 21:42:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133680
Automattic didn't invent not allowing other people to use their name in domains. Many companies do this. It's been in courts in the US and in the UK
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:42:51 GMT | Message ID: 5133681
@192 Do it, then link back.
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:43:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133683
@Matt, so we have to make the whitelist =)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:43:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133684
Matt - I should be able to click on a header above catagory list and sort that way
 Guest 162
2008-12-18 - 21:43:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133685
Matt: when will bbpress have a phpbb importer?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:43:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133686
Matt, if I make a plugin and offer support as for a price - Does that fit in with WP's terms?
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 21:43:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133688
Matt - what about wpsomething.com ?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:43:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133690
I'd like to have Widget Logic incorporated in 2.8.
 Michael_Torbert
2008-12-18 - 21:43:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133692
wpsomething.com is fine, he's specifically stated that before
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:43:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133693
@196 - thats legal.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:43:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133694
Matt, if I make a plugin and offer support for a price - Does that fit in with WP's terms?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:43:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133695
@guest 196 - Matt has said that is okay before.
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 21:43:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133696
thanks Michael - missed that ;-0
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:43:43 GMT | Message ID: 5133697
wp-hackers has had some great Admin customization code recently.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:44:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133701
But, something more integrated. I'm starting to lean toward Jeff's idea on widgets.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:44:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133702
Is the WYSIWIG editor almost usable now? ;)
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:44:30 GMT | Message ID: 5133703
MATT: What if I sold XHTML/CSS templates without wordpress implemented, and offered implementation as a separate service???
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:44:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133708
Matt, any plans of making WordPress even lighter for 'low' bandwidth users?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 21:45:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133709
@85 - thats fine.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:45:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133710
Matt, if I make a plugin and offer support for a price - Does that fit in with WP's terms?
 Guest 185
2008-12-18 - 21:45:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133712
@119 try using google gears?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:45:44 GMT | Message ID: 5133714
Does anyone here actually use the WYSIWIG editor?
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:45:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133717
Justin: I do.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:45:57 GMT | Message ID: 5133719
The search functionality is a bit crap, IMO. But some of the changes might make it easier to integrate with plugins and such.
 tommy_day
2008-12-18 - 21:45:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133720
Matt I love being able to install plugins from the admin area, but the search doesn't seem to be too accurate yet, still awesome though!
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:46:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133721
Justin: I do
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:46:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133724
tommy: The plugin search works better if you use Tags instead of Terms.
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:46:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133725
@Matt - When will "Widgets Per Page" be released? 2.8?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:46:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133726
"Cognitive bloat" woa ... we can talk about ergonomics? *swoon*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:46:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133731
It's such a pain ... no simple, not easy, and still a pain.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:47:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133733
I think the visual editor has made lots of progress in the last several versions. It's actually quite usable now.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:47:06 GMT | Message ID: 5133734
wysiwyg is much better as of 2.5
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:47:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133735
MATT: is there plans to allow people to install themes and plugins automatically from sources OTHER than WP.org/extend ???
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 21:47:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133736
I still use the HTML editor always
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:47:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133737
Matt, if I make a plugin and offer support for a price - Does that fit in with WP's terms?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:47:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133738
Ayup
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:47:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133743
I stopped using it years ago. Haven't really used it since.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:47:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133745
nathan: It would be possible to make your plugin/theme hook itself into the upgrade check functions and hit another site.
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:47:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133746
Oh. Good point.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:47:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133747
/Stop stealing my <br />s!/ (Actually still using HTML ... will check.)
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 21:48:06 GMT | Message ID: 5133748
My clients and users wouldn't use WP without the visual editor
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:48:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133751
bentrem: WordPress steals your multiple BR's. That's in the wpautop function. Don't blame TinyMCE.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:48:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133753
@bentrem It shouldn't steal your <br />'s anymore
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:48:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133756
WYSIWYG SPECIFIC QUESTION: When you "align content" left, center, or right, how do you control what CSS CLASS it adds???
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:48:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133757
or at least I don't think it does
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:48:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133760
:align-left
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:48:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133762
oops .align-left
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:49:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133767
guest85: It uses alignleft, alignright, and aligncenter. Your theme should define those accordingly.
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:49:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133770
you don't
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:49:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133772
Matt, if I make a plugin and offer support for a price - Does that fit in with WP's terms?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:49:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133773
Matt - Sorry I meant sorting "posts" in admin - Should be able to sort posts by clicking one of the headers above the post list, Name, category, tag
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:49:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133778
Yes, images.
 Guest 190
2008-12-18 - 21:49:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133779
and alignnone
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:50:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133784
ok, i get it i'm being ignored
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:50:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133786
Shouldn't there be feature that just adds a FLOAT property to whatever is aligned left or right, such as a text block??
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:50:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133787
Guest72: Yes, selling support is a long standing GPl tradition
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:50:26 GMT | Message ID: 5133788
WP is a great future of getting the rest of the world online with the possiblity of 'mobilising' the sites for mobiles for the other 3Bn. Keep it up M
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:50:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133789
Apologies, I got that wrong the second time too. Otto 42 got it right. They're classes.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:50:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133790
MATT: Fair enough ... good answer
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:50:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133791
Sidebar: if someone wants to write about using Eclipse/PHP and Aptana, please @bentrem!
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:50:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133792
MATT: I can understand that
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:50:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133793
thank you :)
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 21:50:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133794
what about subscription services?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:51:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133796
@Guest 85 - You do that via the CSS, that's not something WordPress controls directly.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:51:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133798
2.7 adds some hooks along those lines, so in theory a plugin can do that sort of thing itself right now
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 21:51:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133800
@ryanhellyer Thank you.
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:51:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133802
Okay, I just created an empty DIV in the HTML editor. Saved. Switched to WYSWIG editor. Saved again. Empty DIV is now gone.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:51:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133803
there was some discussion on wp-hackers about it a few days ago, the idea of a plugin checking for its own updates
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 21:52:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133805
thanks for the answer Matt. Kind of like wp.com eh?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:52:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133806
MATT - Whats your take on theme clubs - charging a fee for club access but not demanding anything else?
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:52:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133807
@Matt - When will "Widget per Page" be released?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:53:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133811
WIdget per page will probably happen at the same time that the widget interface gets redone
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:53:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133813
is there any way that you will be including another default theme? I would be happy to build it for you.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:53:23 GMT | Message ID: 5133814
I /love/ making custom page templates.
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 21:53:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133816
what is "Widget per Page"?
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:53:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133817
Custom page templates is my new love.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:54:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133818
kaspars: The idea of having every page have it's own customized widget design
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 21:54:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133819 | Parent Message ID: 5133816
number of widgets I guess
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:54:19 GMT | Message ID: 5133821
@Matt - Will there be a best practice plugin development guide released?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:54:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133822
like single is different than archives is diff than Pages, etc
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 21:54:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133823
widget context?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:54:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133825
That's kinda like what I call "custom heads".
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:54:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133826
yes, the are some files in trac right now that adds that functionality
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:55:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133827
Widget Logic is awesome.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:55:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133829
whats the name of his??
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:55:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133831
content or context?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:55:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133832
What's that, 5th level menu? *sigh*
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:55:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133834
Question for Matt: The WordPress support forum often seems a little unruly and I don't like posting there ...
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:56:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133835
where can i get widget context?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:56:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133837
... are there any plans to attempt to improve the situation?
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:56:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133840
Widget Per Page Ticket http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/4280
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 21:56:23 GMT | Message ID: 5133841
Oh dang, I didn't see that. Thanks Jeffro.
 Guest 141
2008-12-18 - 21:56:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133845
Yea, I may have missed it... Will the widget API get some love? I know Damien from Event Calender did some trac ticket somewhere.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 21:56:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133846
For example, it is awkward to report inappropriate posts, a 'report post' button would be handy.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 21:57:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133847
How about we convince Matt to put in my Widgets Reloaded plugin.
 Guest 86
2008-12-18 - 21:57:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133849
What plugin are you speaking , guy on the 
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:57:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133850
Matt, any particular guides for using WP in low bandwidth environments now or in the future?
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 21:57:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133851
http://konstruktors.com/widget-context.zip
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:57:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133852
119: Like, for dialup?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:57:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133853
Was the name widget context?
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:57:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133854
How long does it take to load in dialup
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 21:57:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133855
?
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:57:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133856
matt i have this www.wpauctions.com - planning on making it on a subscription basis soon
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:57:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133858
@192 that is right!
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:57:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133860
http://www.wpauctions.com - proper url
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 21:58:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133861
Thanks kaspars, I'll check it out
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 21:58:09 GMT | Message ID: 5133862
Widget Logic is what he's talking about I belive.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:58:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133863
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/one-widget-per-page/
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 21:58:30 GMT | Message ID: 5133864
is that it?
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 21:58:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133865
thx #119
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:58:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133866
@192 or <64-128 broadband
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 21:59:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133871
I gotta say, Matt is really a stand-up guy ... I love that he's willing to interact with the community like this
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 21:59:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133874
@196, more of the world is getting online but bandwidth is an issue!
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 21:59:37 GMT | Message ID: 5133875
agreed nathan
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 21:59:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133878
agreed with @nathanrice - this really helps dispel the conspiracy theories!
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:00:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133879
119: Hmm. Wouldn't this be more of a theme issue? If you stripped down a theme, the size could be shrunk to negligible levels.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 22:00:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133880
Not to spam w/links to my site, but we need better default widgets: http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/12/09/widgets-reloaded-wordpress-plugin
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 22:00:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133881
Its also highly profitable
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:00:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133883 | Parent Message ID: 5133871
he's not as bad as people make him out to be lol
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:00:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133884
MATT: Do you think it's worth trying to make a living off of wordpress/theme development?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:00:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133885
We're here because he has given us WP
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:00:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133887
119: There's a plugin that allows users to see the site in a plugin of their choice. You could just offer your users a stripped-down theme.
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:00:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133888
MATT - Whats your take on theme clubs - charging a fee for club access but not demanding anything else?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:00:54 GMT | Message ID: 5133889
@192, i am not a developer and only about 6 months WP so i am not sure?
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 22:00:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133890
Lots of university grads go open source, lots of companies use it
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:01:14 GMT | Message ID: 5133892
119: I'm nearly positive your problem could be fixed by using a specialized theme:
 Guest 201
2008-12-18 - 22:01:24 GMT | Message ID: 5133893
this is pretty kool
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 22:01:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133894
@85 - i do
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:01:40 GMT | Message ID: 5133896
@192 any kinds in mind?
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:01:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133897
119: Such as: only one post per page, no graphics, no javascript, no AJAX.
 Guest 72
2008-12-18 - 22:01:51 GMT | Message ID: 5133898
custom themes though, propietary themes haven't been that hot
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:01:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133899
You'd be better off developing services instead of trying to sell software
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 22:02:05 GMT | Message ID: 5133901
yup, an Ad network that you subscribe to rather than paying like with tla, linkxl, etc.
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:02:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133902
192: Yes! Try out wpthemerkit.com.
 Guest 201
2008-12-18 - 22:02:16 GMT | Message ID: 5133903
So whats the result, what happened with all the themes deleted off wordpress.org
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 22:02:18 GMT | Message ID: 5133904
so you subscribe and you can trade banner ads, links, etc.
 Guest 201
2008-12-18 - 22:02:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133905
?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:02:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133906
The IndyMedia Global Network operates on a totally OS framework started in '99.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:02:25 GMT | Message ID: 5133907
@72 add me on twitter: twitter.com/lashakrikheli
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:02:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133908
119: Try out wpthemerkit.com.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:02:42 GMT | Message ID: 5133909
damn he left
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:03:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133910
119: No graphics, no built in js, minimize the number of plugins you use.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:03:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133911
@192, thanks alot will check that out.
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 22:03:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133912
Have automattic worked out revenue streams and if not will it affect the longterm life of wordpress?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:03:21 GMT | Message ID: 5133913
How's this for slick in 2.7: get_header('page') / get_footer('page') ... customized head!
 Guest 201
2008-12-18 - 22:03:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133916
does anyone know about what happened with the themes?
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 22:03:47 GMT | Message ID: 5133917
@110 - we are working on this now at wpmarketer.com
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:03:50 GMT | Message ID: 5133918
Matt: I'll co-write / document Eclipse/PHP 101.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:04:04 GMT | Message ID: 5133919
@192, i wonder what Matt has to say on the bandwidth thing as well?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:04:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133922
@196, that is great to know.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:04:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133923
Imagine if Bill Gates did an open PodCast like this ... CARNAGE!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:05:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133926
BTW: Bill Lazar at Aptana is a WP fan.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:05:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133927
damn, Skype ran out of credit
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:05:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133928
MATT - Whats your take on theme clubs - charging a fee for club access but not demanding anything else?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:05:43 GMT | Message ID: 5133929
And getting better ... WPMU/bbPress ...
 Guest 68
2008-12-18 - 22:05:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133930
could it be that Automattic requires more funding so more effort is going back into Wordpress.. hmm...
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:06:12 GMT | Message ID: 5133931
... he said design/development
 plagiarismtoday
2008-12-18 - 22:06:28 GMT | Message ID: 5133932
Dropping out now, need to eat before our podcast. Be back in a few hours!
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:06:35 GMT | Message ID: 5133934
@192, 196 - thanks btw. I am more interested in setting WP on low bandwidth in Africa for local content dev't
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:06:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133936
How to herd discussion? DisQus? IntenseDebate? ... CreativeCommons?
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:07:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133937
@119: Your server will assemble the page to be sent to your browser, yes? Well, the text - the posts - are very small. So, if you keep your theme
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:07:32 GMT | Message ID: 5133938
bentrem: get_sidebar('hah') works too. Customized sidebar
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:07:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133939
@119: keep your theme very small, your download to teh browser won't be much larger than the text of the post/page.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:07:58 GMT | Message ID: 5133940
Blimey - is this still going?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:08:00 GMT | Message ID: 5133941
HeyYa Otto. Didn't need that, but looks like a breakthrough.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:08:02 GMT | Message ID: 5133942
also look at post_class() if you have not noticed that yet
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 22:08:06 GMT | Message ID: 5133943
@119 - also don't put anything on the site that is downloadable
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:08:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133944
@192, i am not sure i understnad what u mean?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:08:15 GMT | Message ID: 5133945
That is possibly one of the greatest things ever, IMO
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:08:26 GMT | Message ID: 5133947
@196 that is right thanks
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:08:33 GMT | Message ID: 5133948
What are the future consequences of breaking GPL in themes / plugins?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:08:55 GMT | Message ID: 5133949
/me googles post_class
 Guest 192
2008-12-18 - 22:09:11 GMT | Message ID: 5133951
@Bandwidth: Its about minimizing your themes.
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:09:26 GMT | Message ID: 5133954 | Parent Message ID: 5133940
open mic with matt
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:09:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133955 | Parent Message ID: 5133940
now would be your time to talk to him face to face heh
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:09:39 GMT | Message ID: 5133956
Use some of the simple text themes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:09:43 GMT | Message ID: 5133957
Matt: jQuery by default; what's your opinion of ExtJS?
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:09:44 GMT | Message ID: 5133958
MATT: Can I create XHTML/CSS templates to sell and NOT ALLOW them to modify or distribute it, and then offer WP integration as a separate service?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:09:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133959
those are low bandiwdth as heck
 Guest 203
2008-12-18 - 22:09:48 GMT | Message ID: 5133960
Not to drag down or slow down the discussion. How to find info about Wordpress and get up to speed on the discussion?
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 22:10:02 GMT | Message ID: 5133961
http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:10:03 GMT | Message ID: 5133962
For the admin, leave it normal and use Google Gears to cache everything locally
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:10:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133963
ExtJS / YUI versus jQuery
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:10:41 GMT | Message ID: 5133964
wow, thanks! What a community
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:11:08 GMT | Message ID: 5133966
SEPARATE SERVICE
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 22:11:09 GMT | Message ID: 5133967
service
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:12:01 GMT | Message ID: 5133968
@203 The show was recorded. And there's discussion on [WP-Hackers]
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:12:29 GMT | Message ID: 5133970
service
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:12:30 GMT | Message ID: 5133971
MATT Do I use the contact form on MA.TT to get in touch??
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:12:49 GMT | Message ID: 5133972
He also has his email address on that page too
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:13:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133973
jQuery is easier to use, even though it makes your code look like line noise.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:13:17 GMT | Message ID: 5133974
@85 I think it was themes@wp.org ... I think.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:13:43 GMT | Message ID: 5133975
lol
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:13:53 GMT | Message ID: 5133976
MATT - will you allow child themes on wordpress.com as a service?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:13:56 GMT | Message ID: 5133977
I did some luvly stuff on ExtJS. *sigh*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:14:09 GMT | Message ID: 5133978
Matt: bbPress and WPMU ... any thought of formalizing WP as CMS?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:14:10 GMT | Message ID: 5133979
Hi guys - I just realised, if we created a WPMU with only our themes in it, and didn't release our themes...
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:14:36 GMT | Message ID: 5133981
Function / presentation.
 Guest 207
2008-12-18 - 22:14:38 GMT | Message ID: 5133982
wish there was more christian themes
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:15:07 GMT | Message ID: 5133983
In the future of WP, will users be able to turn features on and off? Like the new WP Gallery if you don't wish to use a feature?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:15:27 GMT | Message ID: 5133986
just charged for access to this install... that wouldn't attract any flack, be 100% GPL valid, bring us money, and so on
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:15:34 GMT | Message ID: 5133988
I agree with matt there, it might be a good idea to look through themes and see what they're doing the hard way
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:15:45 GMT | Message ID: 5133989
@Deena if you goog [wp-hackers] and "disable" you might find what you need.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:15:46 GMT | Message ID: 5133990
@Guest 207 - http://www.ministrytheme.com/demo/
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:15:52 GMT | Message ID: 5133991
then make it easier and simpler to do that sort of thing properly
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:16:13 GMT | Message ID: 5133992
thanks :)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:16:20 GMT | Message ID: 5133993
/me for years made his living cleaning up after engineers. ;-)
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:16:22 GMT | Message ID: 5133994
davidcoveney: You basically just described WP.com.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:16:31 GMT | Message ID: 5133996
so, yeah, that would be fine
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:16:59 GMT | Message ID: 5133997
David - you would be the host then?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:17:52 GMT | Message ID: 5134001
@davidcoveney +1
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:18:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134003
Abd here's some more .... http://www.ministrytheme.com/category/premium-themes/
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:18:08 GMT | Message ID: 5134004
Here somes the robots!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:18:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134005
Took me totally by surprise. I was on FF.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:18:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134006
SPACE ROBOTS
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:18:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134007
yes - as the host... but we wouldn't need to feed our code back to the community?
 julianbell
2008-12-18 - 22:18:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134008
greetings from MNM
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:18:43 GMT | Message ID: 5134010
david: no, you would not
 julianbell
2008-12-18 - 22:18:43 GMT | Message ID: 5134011
minnesota
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:18:51 GMT | Message ID: 5134012
/me is monitoring 3 different audio sources BG.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:18:52 GMT | Message ID: 5134013
ofefring a service is not the same is distributing software
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:19:09 GMT | Message ID: 5134014
ROFL
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 22:19:15 GMT | Message ID: 5134016
lol
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:19:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134017
live show rules
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:19:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134018
heh ... I want a burger and a beer if I transcribe. ;)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:19:28 GMT | Message ID: 5134019
MATT - are child themes allowed in wordpress.com?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:19:41 GMT | Message ID: 5134021
@66: .com or .org?
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:19:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134022
.com
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:19:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134023
Matt- you are cool!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:20:01 GMT | Message ID: 5134024
Point: my "participatory deliberation" is because folk are shy of experts.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:20:04 GMT | Message ID: 5134025
@Guest 66 - They allow you to change your CSS for a fee
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:20:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134026
The stuff they choose for .com is based on their own users and such
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:20:13 GMT | Message ID: 5134027
not the same ryan
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:20:17 GMT | Message ID: 5134028
so that would be worse for the community surely than making premium themes which, after a year or so could be GPL'd once we'd made our costs back?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:20:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134029
Seesmic too
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:20:26 GMT | Message ID: 5134030
the only pay customization .com has is css editing
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:20:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134033
Allowing user provided themes (child or parent) is a security risk due to PHP being in them
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:20:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134034
@Otto - I think there's an element of semantics - a service is closed source, in effect
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:20:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134035
david: No, it would not hurt the community at all, because you're providing a service, not a piece of software
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:21:05 GMT | Message ID: 5134036
Running a host vs. selling code are completely different things
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:21:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134038
FWIW I had been asking "Any thoughts about formalizing 'WP as CMS'?" ... a while back.
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 22:21:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134039
We've cooled off a lot though :-)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:21:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134041
ryan but child themes can be much more than css
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:21:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134042
No, a service is not "closed source". It's the difference between an online application vs. an application you download. They're not at all the same
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:22:01 GMT | Message ID: 5134044
Cuz I'm luvin' Mooo.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:22:05 GMT | Message ID: 5134045
Random aside: I made US$50 from selling support for the GPL Multi-level Navigation plugin during this podcast
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:22:22 GMT | Message ID: 5134046
Still interested to know if on/off features option is a consideration for a future WP option within the core.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:22:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134047
MATT: What do you have to say about e-commerce solutions for WP?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:22:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134050
Kewl ... I'm there with you. ^5
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:22:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134051
Heck, I regularly make beer money off donations from people who I help out with minor WP problems
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:22:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134052
So you can make money from providing support :)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:23:05 GMT | Message ID: 5134053
cat.bag.out issuepress.com
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:23:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134055
You'd be surprised how many people toss me a $20 via paypal after I answer a few emails for them.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:23:30 GMT | Message ID: 5134056
... of course I didn't make a cent from it in the last day or so though :P
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:23:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134057
I always say they don't have to, but hey, beer is beer and who am I to say no?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:23:39 GMT | Message ID: 5134058
guys, trying to call in, but it just keeps asking for the call ID
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:23:55 GMT | Message ID: 5134061
Yeah, some people really appreciate free help
 Guest 203
2008-12-18 - 22:23:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134062
Sorry to just be starting up this new technology path. It would be helpful to know what GPL is?
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 22:24:02 GMT | Message ID: 5134063
Call ID: 34224
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:24:04 GMT | Message ID: 5134064
I love it when people send donations
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:24:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134070
There we go ... I give 12 themes, but have 1 premium for sale ...
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:24:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134071
@Guest203: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=GPL
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:25:06 GMT | Message ID: 5134073
what if we had a link to our personal sites?
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:25:10 GMT | Message ID: 5134074
@Otto42 LAMO
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:25:10 GMT | Message ID: 5134075
There we go ... I think folk just wanted to know the ground-rules, imperfect or whatevuh.
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:25:28 GMT | Message ID: 5134079 | Parent Message ID: 5134073
call id is 34224
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:25:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134081
"Participatory deliberation". *grin*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:25:55 GMT | Message ID: 5134083
Slippery slope ... there's no line.
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:26:02 GMT | Message ID: 5134084
jeffro you just asked the question i've been waiting for
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:26:12 GMT | Message ID: 5134086
I entered the call ID but no joy - will try again
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:26:13 GMT | Message ID: 5134087
The guy with the big hat (and lotsa cattle) makes his call.
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:26:15 GMT | Message ID: 5134088
MATT, I sent you the email
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 22:26:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134090
whoa, darren's here!
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:26:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134091
Guest85 is in the subject
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:26:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134094 | Parent Message ID: 5134084
call in darren
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:26:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134095
aka, will my repository submission be rejected, since Automattic knows I sell Mimbo Pro
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:26:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134096 | Parent Message ID: 5134084
you are in this whole market of themes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:27:10 GMT | Message ID: 5134099
"Monetization" ... when "volunteers" make money, stuff changes.
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:27:13 GMT | Message ID: 5134100
(I'm working on a new free theme I figured I'd submit to the repository)
 Guest 66
2008-12-18 - 22:27:22 GMT | Message ID: 5134101
QUESTION FOR MATT - will child themes, CSS and graphics) be allowed on wordpress.com?
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:27:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134102
(Hehe, I'm at work and can't call unfortunately)
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 22:27:47 GMT | Message ID: 5134103
and gals ;)
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:27:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134104
yse he is
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:27:51 GMT | Message ID: 5134106
How bout this: can I get the free theme without have a pitch pushed at me, or not.
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:27:58 GMT | Message ID: 5134107
aw shucks ;)
 Guest 203
2008-12-18 - 22:28:12 GMT | Message ID: 5134109
Thanks Otto, will try to work on the beginner stuff and then come back for the interesting stuff!
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:28:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134111
lol
 Guest 209
2008-12-18 - 22:28:26 GMT | Message ID: 5134112
Hey, Darren. (Ian here, again)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:28:28 GMT | Message ID: 5134113
Do I have to swallow the advertising?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:28:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134114
@203: Just messing about, I don't get to use that site much. :)
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:28:44 GMT | Message ID: 5134115
Thanks Darrren for TimThumb ;-)
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:28:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134116
oh hey, didn't know it was you ian
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:28:54 GMT | Message ID: 5134117
De-linking the free material from the commercial pitches ... is whot.
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:28:59 GMT | Message ID: 5134118
n/p, thank Tim ;)
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:29:15 GMT | Message ID: 5134120
what i garner from this thus far is working towards business models to alley developers' fears to open up a little more!!!
 Guest 209
2008-12-18 - 22:29:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134121
Just logged in again. Totally missed the recording. (I'll listen tonight.)
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:29:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134122
Question: Is there a scalability problem with adding lots of themes to a WordPress Mu installation?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:29:41 GMT | Message ID: 5134123
Cuz really ... premium on my domain, and free themes on sub-domain? Rubber's gotta hit the road.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:29:51 GMT | Message ID: 5134124
I'm in on my mobile -
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:30:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134125
@ryan I haven't seen any probs with Mooo so far. Hoping it stays that way; it's go big or fail, here.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 22:30:44 GMT | Message ID: 5134126
Forget TimThumb. Wait for the next version of Get the Image.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 22:31:02 GMT | Message ID: 5134127
Competition is great.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:31:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134128
lol
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:32:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134129
I have a potential business partner who wants to implement an unlimited number of themes within their WP Mu install, but he reckons there are ...
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:32:44 GMT | Message ID: 5134130
... scalability problems with that, and my solutions to avoiding it are crude and I really don't like them.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:32:49 GMT | Message ID: 5134131
@ryan: WP.com is running Mooo ... so I can't see a prob.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:33:06 GMT | Message ID: 5134132
But Mooo doesn't run thousands of themes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:33:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134133
@ryan Literally 1000s? K themes? *blink*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:34:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134135
@ryan [wp-hackers] needs more WPMU chatter.
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:34:29 GMT | Message ID: 5134136
yep, maybe more, 10000 if things went well enough!
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:34:54 GMT | Message ID: 5134137
Millions if it goes REALLLY well
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:35:08 GMT | Message ID: 5134138
the next version of TimThumb will take photos of people and make them more attractive by at least 40%, then resize them
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:35:11 GMT | Message ID: 5134139
you just wait
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 22:35:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134141 | Parent Message ID: 5132118
Thanks Matt, and thanks Jeffro for bringing this together - it was good
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:35:19 GMT | Message ID: 5134142
lol
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:35:36 GMT | Message ID: 5134143
Amen Matt
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:35:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134144
Need a TimThumb version for real lfe! hee hhe
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:36:12 GMT | Message ID: 5134147
@ryan Pondering ... think I grok what you're doing. There's gotta be a fix. But elegance ain't easy.
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:36:19 GMT | Message ID: 5134148 | Parent Message ID: 5134141
you're welcome
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:36:32 GMT | Message ID: 5134149
for matt m, as far as giving back to the community, how do feel about proprietary theme authors...
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:36:41 GMT | Message ID: 5134151
....who also write in-depth tutorials about how it all works...
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:37:22 GMT | Message ID: 5134154
it's not a total compromise, obviously, but it seems to ratchet up public interest in what can/can't be done with a WP theme
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:37:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134155
The thing is you have been making money breaking GPL - not Matt's fault
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:37:45 GMT | Message ID: 5134157
thus, it does raise the stakes, in a positive way (I think)
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:38:04 GMT | Message ID: 5134159
Jeff, Matt.....THANK YOU BOTH for answering my questions. I will be a regular listening for WordPress weekly, and I will use WP FOREVER!
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:38:11 GMT | Message ID: 5134160
Have a great night!
 Josh Budde
2008-12-18 - 22:38:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134161
Hi Jeff & Matt
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:38:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134162
any other questions
 Josh Budde
2008-12-18 - 22:38:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134163
Hi Bob
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:38:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134166 | Parent Message ID: 5134151
@darren That seems to be the operative point: advertising commercial products.
 Dgold
2008-12-18 - 22:39:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134169 | Parent Message ID: 5133642
Anyone else have problem with WordpressCOM Stats plugin in WP 2.7? Won't accept API key to "add" a 3rd blog. Don't want to "replace".
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:39:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134171 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Take2: when I click the link to the free theme, will I have a pitch pushed in my face.
 Josh Budde
2008-12-18 - 22:40:01 GMT | Message ID: 5134172
Not having a prob w/ that
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 22:40:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134173
@darren - the next version of Get the Image will...well, it won't make you any prettier.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:40:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134174 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
@Dgold: http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-hackers
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:41:19 GMT | Message ID: 5134175
on/off feature to wp core?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:41:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134176 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Sure it is. "GPL is Matt's fault!" ;-)
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:41:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134177
if you what to TURN OFF a feature???
 ryanhellyer
2008-12-18 - 22:41:58 GMT | Message ID: 5134178
Interesting
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:42:04 GMT | Message ID: 5134179 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
@Deena Again: I suggest you google wp-hackers and "disable".
 HAARP
2008-12-18 - 22:42:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134180
press *8
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:42:32 GMT | Message ID: 5134181
i'm loving some of these accidental sound effects and glitches
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:42:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134182
sounds like Devo
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:42:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134183
I know, but a core switch would be nice. I thought.
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 22:42:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134184
otto: just gave you a shout-out :)
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 22:43:05 GMT | Message ID: 5134185
@otto is a very important part of the community, that's for sure
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:43:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134186 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
100000s of themes
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 22:43:11 GMT | Message ID: 5134187
I certainly respect him
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:43:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134188
damn - was on my ccell..and the battery died
 nathanrice
2008-12-18 - 22:43:29 GMT | Message ID: 5134189
even though his tactics aren't always pleasant :-)
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:43:37 GMT | Message ID: 5134190
For the record, my name is LASHA
 HAARP
2008-12-18 - 22:43:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134191
if the podcast administrator does not press *8 the call will end......in about 3 minutes
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:43:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134192 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Ryan was asking if ... oh, k.
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 22:43:47 GMT | Message ID: 5134193
:(
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:43:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134194 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Many ... more than dozens ...
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:44:29 GMT | Message ID: 5134195 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
*perks*
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:44:44 GMT | Message ID: 5134196 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Matt: put meat on "bug" ... search terms?
 HAARP
2008-12-18 - 22:45:08 GMT | Message ID: 5134197
when you see all the callers fall off the call you'll know the call admin did not press *8
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:45:19 GMT | Message ID: 5134198 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Like I said, foundational ... and elegance ain't easy.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:45:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134199
probably good I as cut off - calling the US on my cell must have cost a bomb
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:45:30 GMT | Message ID: 5134200 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Ahhhh k
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:45:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134201 | Parent Message ID: 5134199
ouch
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:45:54 GMT | Message ID: 5134202 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Trac on "themes bug", Matt?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:46:17 GMT | Message ID: 5134203 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
"Forums" iss bbPress, no?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:46:49 GMT | Message ID: 5134205
thx matt, I fell off the conversation for a while
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:47:13 GMT | Message ID: 5134206 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
*cough* Is "forums" bbPress?
 darrenhoyt
2008-12-18 - 22:47:19 GMT | Message ID: 5134207
jeffro and matt, you're both great for having this meetup. lots of food for thought. gotta head out unfortunately....
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:47:28 GMT | Message ID: 5134208
Yes, we can
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:47:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134209
Not resolved posts:
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:47:43 GMT | Message ID: 5134210
http://wordpress.org/support/view/support-forum-no
 Guest 209
2008-12-18 - 22:47:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134211
Ian out. Thanks, in advance, Matt and Jeff. Look forward to listening to the recording. Cheers.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:47:51 GMT | Message ID: 5134212 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Ayup ... like MediaWiki contributions.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 22:47:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134213
FYI:just pushed out WP Framework 0.2, its one beast of a Theme Framework. Any1 who needs a solid theme base should check it out http://wpframework.com
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:48:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134214
Does the GPL always supercede anything a developer might include? In otherwords, can I give away every Premium theme I have purchased legally?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:48:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134215 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
Key Finding: Most contributions in WikiPedia are notRPTnot from the most /frequent/ contributors.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:49:02 GMT | Message ID: 5134217
(not that i would)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:49:11 GMT | Message ID: 5134219 | Parent Message ID: 5134135
You'd revolutionize OS if you could track the goodness.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:49:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134221
ninja skills? awesome
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:49:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134224
Guest 55: NO.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:49:45 GMT | Message ID: 5134225
Bad idea.
 Guest 219
2008-12-18 - 22:49:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134228
Matt, would you endorse a theme designer who sold themes with GPL license?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:50:02 GMT | Message ID: 5134229
If they broke the GPL, then that doesn't automatically make things public domain
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:50:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134230
To be honest, that just sounds wrong.
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:50:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134233 | Parent Message ID: 5134229
call in
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 22:50:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134234 | Parent Message ID: 5134229
heh
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:50:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134235
i agree - just asking the legality of it
 Guest 85
2008-12-18 - 22:50:26 GMT | Message ID: 5134236
Being able to distribute the themes you pay for, for free
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:50:26 GMT | Message ID: 5134237
Well, i think people have respect for developers and don't want to cut off the 'innovation'
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:50:41 GMT | Message ID: 5134239
If they borke the license, then they have no right to distribute under the license, which gives you no license to have it, which means that you are
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:50:45 GMT | Message ID: 5134240
in a lose lose situation
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:51:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134242
I'm back - first my battery died, then Firefox... back in with Opera... waaaay better at times :)
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:51:28 GMT | Message ID: 5134243
Yes, they could, but the question is *will they* redistribute?
 Guest 220
2008-12-18 - 22:51:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134244
This is Guest85
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:51:41 GMT | Message ID: 5134246 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
... they /could/. But if you have a buyer, that buyer is purchasing a service. Mebbe they didn't need to search!
 Guest 220
2008-12-18 - 22:51:41 GMT | Message ID: 5134247
GOODNIGHT GUYS
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:51:47 GMT | Message ID: 5134249
Why would they give away something they paid for, other than to friends and such?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:51:53 GMT | Message ID: 5134250
Oh yes - you have to believe in how low a lot of people are - if they cotton on there's money to be made
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:52:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134253 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
1) low-noise, 2) low agony, 3) known consequence
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:52:27 GMT | Message ID: 5134254
Well, they haven't so far- at least the developers are still around.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 22:52:45 GMT | Message ID: 5134255
If you sell a GPL theme, then the user will get a download link without having to look for one other places. They will also get updates, and support.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:52:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134256
Especially if you're charging, say, $200 for a theme, then why would they take their hard-purcahsed theme and screw you over by giving it away?
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:52:54 GMT | Message ID: 5134257
why would i want nathan and his crew to stop innovating?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:52:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134258
sems like using GPL to build a service is a far more sensible business proposation than selling GPL
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:53:22 GMT | Message ID: 5134260
david: You are correct, that's why most people sell service/support for GPL software. Look at Red Hat.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:53:26 GMT | Message ID: 5134261
hear you otto - i develop premium themes
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:53:30 GMT | Message ID: 5134263
Think about it - it costs us thousands to write a great theme... so someone else can save those thousands by buying the cheap one
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:53:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134264 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
1) Why would they? (realistically) and 2) why do they not? (really)
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:53:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134265
just trying to educate myself
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:54:13 GMT | Message ID: 5134267
thousands? yikes.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:54:13 GMT | Message ID: 5134268 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
WikiNomics ... gift economy ... some cash in fast / some of us run on fumes. ;)
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:54:37 GMT | Message ID: 5134269
matt's right too, selling software tedns to have piracy issues too
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:54:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134270
Wow - Opera is way much better for this than Firefox
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 22:54:58 GMT | Message ID: 5134271
Until somebody puts the "Sell GPL-themes" model to test, we can't say it will not be as profitable or better than selling only support ala BG
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 22:55:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134272
he sells support
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:55:33 GMT | Message ID: 5134273
He is - but I wonder if BG will still be doing it in five years?
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:55:36 GMT | Message ID: 5134274
i think he sells less
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:55:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134275
true dat, he gives away the themes freely though
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:55:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134276 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Support and low-dread. Oposite of Vista.
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:55:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134277
well, as a buyer that would be a bad idea for i would have no 'cool' themes in the future- and my 'competitive' advantage as a biz would be gone!
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:55:53 GMT | Message ID: 5134278
somebody should package support+theme+GPL and sell that
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:56:05 GMT | Message ID: 5134279
his isn't a scalable business, while WordPress.com for example is
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:56:10 GMT | Message ID: 5134280
then the user is buying both support and the theme and it's gpl'd as well
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:56:17 GMT | Message ID: 5134281 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
+5 Otto ... and network the tasks.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 22:56:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134282
Selling support VS. Selling Theme + Support
 Guest 216
2008-12-18 - 22:56:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134283
MATT - hows this, a model just like Revolution but I also "sell" CSS/images add-on packages (still GPL)
 Guest 119
2008-12-18 - 22:57:08 GMT | Message ID: 5134284
some of us depend on the 'core' developers for innovation to stay in biz, so why would want them out of business?
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 22:57:08 GMT | Message ID: 5134285
BG's model will get his themes more widespread, but speaking from own experience, we know people are willing to pay for an individual theme.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:57:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134286
true - I discovered WP after going through blogging platforms alphabetically - I was about to give up and WP was last :)
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:57:52 GMT | Message ID: 5134287
what's to stop us selling BG's themes and supporting them?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:57:59 GMT | Message ID: 5134288 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
heh ... I peeked wp1.2 and checked out all the rest. Yrs later, here I am. :-)
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:58:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134289
But that costs money???
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 22:58:27 GMT | Message ID: 5134290
lol
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:58:28 GMT | Message ID: 5134291
Hey, RedHat does exactly that
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 22:58:33 GMT | Message ID: 5134292
or not even selling, just offering, and supporting?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:58:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134293 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Matt: what proportion of folk on WP.com pay for premium services?
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:58:45 GMT | Message ID: 5134295
RedHat Enterprise is damned expensive, and unavailable unless you buy the support contract
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 22:58:52 GMT | Message ID: 5134296 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Point is: lotsa folk are happy with plain.vanilla free. But ...
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:58:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134297
And it is *the* standard for most servers nowadays
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:59:19 GMT | Message ID: 5134298
Also, it's GPL. You can get the code and compile it yourself, and voila: Centos.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 22:59:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134300
davidcoveney: Nothing is preventing that.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:01:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134307 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Don't have to support bottom-feeder practices.
 Otto42
2008-12-18 - 23:01:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134310
Nobody really knows what Ben Franklin said then, BTW, it's been paraphrased so many times...
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:02:01 GMT | Message ID: 5134312 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
WP.com free users => some pay for premium services. Same with LJ ... mine is free w/o ads.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:02:39 GMT | Message ID: 5134321
Agree with Jeff
 Guest 219
2008-12-18 - 23:02:43 GMT | Message ID: 5134322
me too
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:02:53 GMT | Message ID: 5134323 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
What's more viral than, "Wow, this really works"
 Kaspars
2008-12-18 - 23:02:59 GMT | Message ID: 5134324
anybody wants to talk about jabber, openmicroblogging and wp?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:03:05 GMT | Message ID: 5134325 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Thanks Matt
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:03:33 GMT | Message ID: 5134326
I'm back - Opera's flakey on this too :s
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:03:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134327 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
yup ... NewsHour is on. :-)
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:03:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134330
heheh - it's been a good chat, and sorry I couldn't say thanks before. I hope I didn't ramble too much.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:04:37 GMT | Message ID: 5134334
I'm going to cringe when I hear myself...
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:04:44 GMT | Message ID: 5134335 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Folk in the trenches for their own reasons ... gotta luv it.
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 23:04:52 GMT | Message ID: 5134337
Hi Otto
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:05:15 GMT | Message ID: 5134339
:)
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:05:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134341
:)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:05:32 GMT | Message ID: 5134343 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Gotta luv new functionality come on stream. :-)
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 23:05:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134344
amen!
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:06:08 GMT | Message ID: 5134346
I haven't had much involvement with Otto.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:06:16 GMT | Message ID: 5134347
Sidebar dropping down -- annoyance.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:06:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134348
Would have loved to have meant Dion Helse.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:06:22 GMT | Message ID: 5134349 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
huh huh
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:06:27 GMT | Message ID: 5134350
met
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:06:29 GMT | Message ID: 5134352
the MySQL bug with queries annoys Otto ;)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:06:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134358 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
"Why don't you look around" is an awful way to answer n00bs.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:07:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134359
lol
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:07:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134363
I like the replies by Otto here -> http://wordpress.org/support/topic/154622
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 23:07:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134365
I'd love to be there as well - not sure if I can make it though.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:07:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134366 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
That wp-hackers is so on topic says a lot about the community spirit.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:08:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134368
When's the WordCamp Atlanta coming? I missed the B-ham one while I was in Korea.
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 23:08:32 GMT | Message ID: 5134369
Yeah, WP Chicago! I'll be there.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:09:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134373
@justin - I'm totally down on helping organizing WC down here.. I'm sure it'll be big here
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:09:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134375 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Hey, I'm gonna hook into Otto about Eclipse 101.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:09:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134376
@Ptah - I'd be down with helping out on organizing it as well.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:09:58 GMT | Message ID: 5134377
Great chat everybody!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:10:00 GMT | Message ID: 5134378
Thanks Ma.tt!
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:10:02 GMT | Message ID: 5134379
darn it - keep having to bounce in and out
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:10:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134380 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Folk got POd cuz folk care!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:10:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134381
OMG its 5:00 CDT
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:10:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134382
@justin - dude, 2009. It's on.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:10:41 GMT | Message ID: 5134383
@justin - What is SP up to these days?
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:10:49 GMT | Message ID: 5134385
passion is better than indifference - the day we're indifferent about WP is the day the project days
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:10:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134386 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Nice tuh meecha Ma.tt!
 Kim Parsell
2008-12-18 - 23:10:53 GMT | Message ID: 5134387
Bye Matt
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:11:02 GMT | Message ID: 5134388
Thanks for having me Jeff
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:11:03 GMT | Message ID: 5134389
cheers Matt - appreciate your time on this
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:11:04 GMT | Message ID: 5134390 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Thanks Jeffro ... stay well.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:11:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134391
Elvis has left the building
 Guest 221
2008-12-18 - 23:11:16 GMT | Message ID: 5134392
by Matt
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:11:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134393
the real reason I have to go was I drank a bunch of tea and need to use the restroom
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:11:24 GMT | Message ID: 5134394 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
finest kinda shiet
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:11:33 GMT | Message ID: 5134395
@Ptah - for sure. @mjepson - I really don't know. We started a project together that didn't really pan out, but I'm fairly certain he's coming back
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:11:35 GMT | Message ID: 5134396
Great stuff Jeffro!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:11:39 GMT | Message ID: 5134397 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
c(_)~ espresso
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:11:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134398
that was epic!
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:11:48 GMT | Message ID: 5134399
lol
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:11:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134400
@saxmatt: Don't worry, I'll cover you. :)
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:11:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134401
was amazed to come back and find it all running still!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:12:12 GMT | Message ID: 5134402 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
espresso c(_)~ ... Fail Whale Pale Ale here.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:12:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134403
@justin - has he found out any more on his blog and what happened there?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:12:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134404 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Jeffro: do you use the TSPro client?
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:12:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134405
You guys have anymore questions?
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:13:06 GMT | Message ID: 5134406
Thanks Matt I think you covered all points a few times ;)
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:13:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134407 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Bummed that my audio was frabbed.
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:13:15 GMT | Message ID: 5134408
That is the imposter
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:13:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134409
oh.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:13:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134410 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Problem: can't click or copy links
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:13:31 GMT | Message ID: 5134411
@mjepson - We haven't talked about that. We've really only discussed me releasing a few themes w/his designs. He's pretty secretive about things.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:13:42 GMT | Message ID: 5134412 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
#WPW!! :-)
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:13:49 GMT | Message ID: 5134413
He does have a few good ideas though, but I can't talk about those.
 Chris Jean
2008-12-18 - 23:13:57 GMT | Message ID: 5134414
Thanks for all your time Matt.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:14:06 GMT | Message ID: 5134416
I need a designer. seriously.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:14:12 GMT | Message ID: 5134417 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
I'll try to transcibe major salient points
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:14:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134418
@Ptah - me too.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:14:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134419
@justin - I'll bet he'll be back with a bang...
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:14:21 GMT | Message ID: 5134420
No problem @chrisbliss18
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:14:46 GMT | Message ID: 5134421
@mjepson - If/when he does, he'll shake things up in the WP world.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:15:03 GMT | Message ID: 5134424 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
@Matt Blushing yet?
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:15:19 GMT | Message ID: 5134427
@justin - hope so, he was an inspiration for me before he went AWOL
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:15:45 GMT | Message ID: 5134428
@mjepson - me too. I learned theme designing from his tutorials and themes.
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:16:25 GMT | Message ID: 5134430
Jeff -> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#CanIDemandACopy
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:16:31 GMT | Message ID: 5134431
because you're not distributing it
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:16:39 GMT | Message ID: 5134433
so you want to create a wordpress theme from scratch huh?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:16:44 GMT | Message ID: 5134434 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
... then it's derivative.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:16:55 GMT | Message ID: 5134435
Not really.
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:16:59 GMT | Message ID: 5134436
Yes, I do wanna create one from scratch.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:17:16 GMT | Message ID: 5134437
isn't the images, css etc distributed by the web server?
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:17:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134438
Not so clear for Interpreted languages.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:17:31 GMT | Message ID: 5134439 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Which doesn't stop someone from ripping it.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:17:45 GMT | Message ID: 5134440
Well then WP Framework is the way... follow the light young one.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:18:01 GMT | Message ID: 5134442
They could only prevent you from doing that would be to Trademark the name.
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:18:10 GMT | Message ID: 5134443
mind you - have had websites ripped a few times regardless - some people are scum :(
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:18:14 GMT | Message ID: 5134444
Ptah, I plan on looking at the WP Framework again.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:18:26 GMT | Message ID: 5134445 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Prevent? Or prosecute /after the fact/.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:18:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134446
@jacop, I'm two point releases from working on that widget idea we talked about
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:18:50 GMT | Message ID: 5134447
away*
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:18:56 GMT | Message ID: 5134449
later all - great chat
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:19:01 GMT | Message ID: 5134450
I just dropped about 400kb from the Hybrid framework in preparation for for version 0.4 It's all about cleaning up code and getting rid of bloat now
 Guest 55
2008-12-18 - 23:19:06 GMT | Message ID: 5134451
Thanks Jeffro!
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:19:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134454 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
It would not be legitimate.
 Guest 230
2008-12-18 - 23:19:39 GMT | Message ID: 5134455
wow this place is still on?
 Jeffro
2008-12-18 - 23:20:07 GMT | Message ID: 5134456 | Parent Message ID: 5134446
woot
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:20:11 GMT | Message ID: 5134457
All right, everyone. There's a couple more Hot Pockets calling my name. Shouldn't have bought that family pack.
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:20:34 GMT | Message ID: 5134459
@haha, the 12 pack? I've got that too
 Guest 230
2008-12-18 - 23:20:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134460
is matt still here?
 DeenaM
2008-12-18 - 23:20:51 GMT | Message ID: 5134461
nope
 saxmatt
2008-12-18 - 23:20:54 GMT | Message ID: 5134462
Yes
 justintadlock
2008-12-18 - 23:20:55 GMT | Message ID: 5134463
@Jeffro - great show. I look forward to your interview tomorrow as well. I feel a blog post coming on now.
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:21:12 GMT | Message ID: 5134464 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
#WPW
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:21:40 GMT | Message ID: 5134465
oooh, just found beer - anyone want one?
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:21:47 GMT | Message ID: 5134466 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
Lotsa folk were complaining that Matt was evasive. Hard to nail it down.
 Guest 230
2008-12-18 - 23:21:54 GMT | Message ID: 5134467
is that the real matt?
 Ptah Dunbar
2008-12-18 - 23:22:04 GMT | Message ID: 5134468
Yeah, I've gotta head out too. ttylz Jeffff
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:22:18 GMT | Message ID: 5134469 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
WORM makes its return huh huh
 bentrem
2008-12-18 - 23:22:53 GMT | Message ID: 5134470 | Parent Message ID: 5134210
K, I'm outta here ... thanks all. *poof*
 davidcoveney
2008-12-18 - 23:24:20 GMT | Message ID: 5134474
Guys, I'm impressed - g'night all
 Magnus
2008-12-18 - 23:26:13 GMT | Message ID: 5134476
thanks for the show Jeff, it's bed time in Norway :(
 Idealien
2008-12-18 - 23:29:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134480
So - for those of us who missed it - anyone care to give a coles notes version?
 Guest 196
2008-12-18 - 23:37:23 GMT | Message ID: 5134490
Thanks Jeff - great show. can't believe it was an all day affair ;-)
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:38:52 GMT | Message ID: 5134493
I want to thank you also.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:39:03 GMT | Message ID: 5134494
I had almost 100 patches.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:42:29 GMT | Message ID: 5134501
Bye.
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:42:31 GMT | Message ID: 5134502
I will
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:42:38 GMT | Message ID: 5134503
Perfcast
 jacobsantos
2008-12-18 - 23:42:55 GMT | Message ID: 5134505
Actually I can't get enough of Johnaton