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		<title>So we tried Intense Debate . . .</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2009/11/22/so-we-tried-intense-debate/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ghosh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was not meant to be. I had high hopes for Intense Debate but the drawbacks outweighed the positives in our case. I was really looking forward to a few of the features that I thought might bring more interactivity to the blog and encourage readers to have meatier discussions. As you notice below, we have turned off Intense Debate and gone back to the original comment form. Below is a list of the some of the features I was really looking forward to and our experiences with them. I would like to preface this discussion by saying that I screwed up the install by adding this blog onto the wrong account and that added to some of our woes. The account bug that followed (we received some help via the support email) was caused by my fat fingering. Better overall look and feel of the comment section of a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was not meant to be. I had high hopes for <a href="http://intensedebate.com">Intense Debate</a> but the drawbacks outweighed the positives in our case. I was really looking forward to a few of the features that I thought might bring more interactivity to the blog and encourage readers to have meatier discussions. As you notice below, we have turned off Intense Debate and gone back to the original comment form. Below is a list of the some of the features I was really looking forward to and our experiences with them.</p>
<p>I would like to preface this discussion by saying that I screwed up the install by adding this blog onto the wrong account and that added to some of our woes. The account bug that followed (we received some help via the support email) was caused by my fat fingering.</p>
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<li>Better overall look and feel of the comment section of a blog: I liked the look and feel. The AJAX interface is spiffy and quite versatile.</li>
<li>Commenter reputation: I really like this feature and this was one of my top priorities for installing ID. I like it and it worked well. Add this to &#8220;last post of commenter&#8221; and it is a killer feature to give good commenters some free publicity.</li>
<li>Comment voting: Useful for readers who want to join the discussion. Also very useful to determine spamminess of a comment. I found it to add to the community feel and found myself looking for votes on comments in hot posts.</li>
<li>Social commenting: I saw a bunch of people use various types of profiles to log in and comment. I think this feature added interesting bits of information about commenters and might have prompted more readers to comment. I cannot say for sure. I had trouble staying logged in because of my fat fingering and caused myself some headaches.</li>
<li>Reply to comments by Email: Useful feature. Did any of my readers use it? I have no clue. Did I use it? No.</li>
<li>Automatic folding of threads: Does it work? Yes! Does it have the desired effect? No. On Weblog Tools Collection, automatic comment thread folding meant that a lot of relevant comments were overlooked by readers who ended up saying the same things over again and missing much of the conversation. It just did not have the right feel.</li>
<li>Comment synchronization with the blog: We were able to roll back to the default commenting system because of this feature and are thankful for that. But the comments on hot/active posts were not quite at par with actual activity on the posts. This lack of real time updates resulted in less comments and conversations.</li>
<li>Ability to add polls to comments: Cool feature in concept, barely used in reality. A relevant poll added to a hot post might get a few results but readers don&#8217;t use that kind of interactivity unless they want to come back and check the results, which is often not the case. Can be done with a plugin.</li>
<li>Better spam filtering and moderation features: ID adds the ability to use their own filters in addition to Akismet. But I found these to be cumbersome and Akismet not as responsive. I can&#8217;t quite explain this gripe but I can say that too many comments were ending up in moderation and not enough of the ones that I marked as spam were then treated as spam on subsequent attempts. I don&#8217;t think the WordPress feature that allows previous commenters&#8217; comments to be posted without moderation works with IS. Blacklisted words did not appear to work as well as I have come to expect them to work. There is also no way to &#8220;remember me&#8221; on the ID login page, which is annoying.  Having to add co-authors on as admins of the blog on ID meant they got bugged with all the Spam and also meant that they had to be registered users. These reasons were probably the most annoying to me and my fellow authors and resulted in us backing out.</li>
<li>Ability to record video comments: Cool feature but not used at all on this blog. I see <em>some</em> video comments on TechCrunch but our readers just did not care.</li>
<li>Better comment curation for multi-author blogs: There is no way to send moderation emails to individual authors (which is a pain for multi-author blogs) and the moderation emails were just unfamiliar and not easy to get used to. Again, not fast enough in moderation and approval of comments.</li>
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<p>In addition to the good and the bad above, I also received some disturbing feedback which suggested that some people would not comment on a blog that runs Intense Debate. I have no such qualm and would really like to hear from folks who feel this way. Why this angst?</p>
<p>In conclusion I have to say that I think Intense Debate was a mixed bag for us. If you are not thoroughly used to the WordPress comments system and do not have tens of thousands of comments, it is worth a shot. The ability to roll back is fantastic for buyers&#8217; remorse and I think there is a lot of potential.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE: And deactivating the plugin was not enough to stop it from acting upon incoming comments. Comments were borked since ID was deactivated yesterday. The plugin files have now been deleted and that seems to allow comments to flow back through. Sorry for the trouble.</strong></p>
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		<title>WordPress News for 11/15</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2008/11/15/wordpress-news-for-1115/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ghosh</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blogging News]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Help test the new version of WordPress for iPhone using the iPhone simulator by downloading the latest 1.2beta1 code from the WordPress trac. Details about the features of the new version and the download links are available from the WordPress for iPhone blog. Thank TUAW and The Blog Herald. A nice roundup of photoblogging themes and plugins available for WordPress was published by WPCandy. Many of the links are collections themselves. Definitely worth a looksee if you are looking for a nice photoblog. Nathan Rice posted a Definitive guide to Sticky posts in WordPress 2.7 complete with screenshots, style suggestions, code examples and custom loop suggestions. He even outlines a method to ignore stickies completely. Intense Debate, recently acquired by Automattic, is back with a stronger product and a much more integerated and user friendly WordPress plugin that makes the task of switching back and forth from ID easier and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help test the new version of WordPress for iPhone using the iPhone simulator by downloading the latest 1.2beta1 code from the WordPress trac. Details about the <a href="http://iphone.wordpress.org/2008/11/11/help-test-wordpress-for-iphone-version-12/">features of the new version and the download links are available from the WordPress for iPhone blog</a>. Thank <a href="http://www.tuaw.com/2008/11/11/found-footage-help-test-wordpress-for-iphone-1-2/">TUAW</a> and <a href="http://www.blogherald.com/2008/11/14/wordpress-wednesday-news-27-delayed-sneak-peak-video-help-wordpress-iphone-wordcamps/">The Blog Herald</a>.</p>
<p>A nice <a href="http://wpcandy.com/articles/photoblogging-with-wordpress-round-up.html">roundup of photoblogging themes and plugins available for WordPress</a> was published by WPCandy. Many of the links are collections themselves. Definitely worth a looksee if you are looking for a nice photoblog.</p>
<p>Nathan Rice posted a <a href="http://www.nathanrice.net/blog/definitive-sticky-posts-guide-for-wordpress-27/">Definitive guide to Sticky posts in WordPress 2.7</a> complete with screenshots, style suggestions, code examples and custom loop suggestions. He even outlines a method to ignore stickies completely.</p>
<p>Intense Debate, <a href="http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2008/09/23/automattic-has-acquired-intensedebate/">recently acquired by Automattic</a>, is <a href="http://blog.intensedebate.com/2008/11/12/intensedebate-is-back/">back with a stronger product and a much more integerated and user friendly WordPress plugin</a> that makes the <a href="http://ma.tt/2008/11/intensedebate-reopens/">task of switching back and forth from ID easier and less painful</a>. Let us know if you switched and how it went. Thanks to <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/intense_debate_emerges_from_po.php">RWW</a> and a <a href="http://www.techmeme.com/080923/p114#a080923p114">bunch of other sources</a>.</p>
<p>To round off this news round up, we have <a href="http://rubiqube.com/8-common-sense-tips-for-writing-clean-wordpress-blog-posts/">8 Common Sense Tips for Writing Clean WordPress Blog Posts</a>. Lots of well illustrated tips on cleaning up your blog posts and making them more presentable for both humans and machines. I think this would be one of those must have bookmarks for people just starting off in blogging with WordPress.</p>
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		<title>Automattic Has Acquired IntenseDebate</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2008/09/23/automattic-has-acquired-intensedebate/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ghosh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Automattic Has Acquired IntenseDebate’s Enhanced Comment System: Automattic has acquired IntenseDebate for an undisclosed amount according to TechCrunch and this post on the IntenseDate blog. They are planning to delve into a closed beta once again while they ramp up their hardware for an onslaught of new users from Automattic. Plans include a tight integeration with WordPress (I am assuming with WordPress.com initially and maybe as a plugin for WordPress.org, thus the need for ramping up resources) but will continue to exist as a separate service and will be available for other platforms beside WordPress. Expect more news on this front very soon. Matt and Toni also talk about the acquisition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/23/automattic-has-acquired-intensedebates-enhanced-comment-system/">Automattic Has Acquired IntenseDebate’s Enhanced Comment System</a>: Automattic has acquired IntenseDebate for an undisclosed amount according to TechCrunch and <a href="http://www.intensedebate.com/blog/2008/09/23/automattic-acquires-intensedebate/">this post on the IntenseDate blog</a>. They are planning to delve into a closed beta once again while they ramp up their hardware for an onslaught of new users from Automattic. Plans include a tight integeration with WordPress (I am assuming with WordPress.com initially and maybe as a plugin for WordPress.org, thus the need for ramping up resources) but will continue to exist as a separate service and will be available for other platforms beside WordPress. Expect more news on this front very soon. <a href="http://ma.tt/2008/09/intense-debate-goes-automattic/">Matt</a> and <a href="http://toni.org/2008/09/23/automattic-acquires-intensedebate/">Toni</a> also talk about the acquisition.</p>
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		<title>Chronological Order of Comments on a Post</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2008/05/12/chronological-order-of-comments-on-a-post/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ghosh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never get this right. There are times when I will be reading a post and it feels as if the chronological order of comments would make better sense. At other times, such as the comments on this post on IP Democracy (which has newest comments on top), seems opposite. I actually found it quite difficult and counter intuitive to read through the comments on that post to follow the story as it unfolded. Scrolling upwards on a post is just plain weird. On more popular posts, readers tend to complain when the list of comments grows beyond a certain number and they loose the forest for the trees. The TechCrunch comment threads are simply useless if you want to follow any part of the discussion and I tend to just read the highlighted ones from Michael or the other authors. On the other hand, comment reply threads are unwieldy, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never get this right. There are times when I will be reading a post and it feels as if the chronological order of comments would make better sense. At other times, such as the comments on this post on <a href="http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/002984ars_technica_has_no_shame_but_thats_nothing_new.php#comments">IP Democracy</a> (which has newest comments on top), seems opposite. I actually found it quite difficult and counter intuitive to read through the comments on that post to follow the story as it unfolded. Scrolling upwards on a post is just plain weird. On more popular posts, readers tend to complain when the list of comments grows beyond a certain number and they loose the forest for the trees. The TechCrunch comment threads are simply useless if you want to follow any part of the discussion and I tend to just read the highlighted ones from Michael or the other authors. On the other hand, comment reply threads are unwieldy, take up too much space and somehow fail to mirror forum discussions. Alternatively, outsourcing comments to a third party is just not an elegant or attractive solution for most people.</p>
<p>I feel that commenting systems on blogs need to evolve some more. Some blogs have decided to spin off comments to forums. Others have moved their comments to external services such as Disqus. Yet others like TechCrunch move comments to a linked forum for further discussion after the post has become somewhat stale.</p>
<p>What do forums have that comment threads on blogs do not? Are paged comments a good idea? Should comments threads be pruned by type? Are you more willing to participate in a forum discussion than post a comment on a blog? If that is the case, how could we enhance commenting on blogs to mimic the reader involvement of forums?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a single right answer. However, I do consider our readers&#8217; comments to be the lifeline of our blogs and shy away from shipping them off elsewhere. That being said, Disqus and Intense Debate have the right idea but the execution takes away from blog ownership. Comment editing and tagging, and comment to post and comment to commenter relationships need a lot more TLC if comments are to become as ubiquitous and as widely used as forum posts. Gravatars go a long way in bringing those relationships closer to a global audience but more needs to be done.</p>
<p>I would love to hear your thoughts on the present state of comments in the blogosphere.  Did you come across a commenting system that bridges some of these gaps? Was there some feature that stuck with you or made you go Hmmm? What would make commenting less of a hurdle for you?</p>
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