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By: jez

jez — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:30:14 +0000

what do you mean mate?
I am almost at a stage where I am about to release my stuff as GPL, as much as I would hate it!

By: Hendry Lee

Hendry Lee — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:33:10 +0000

I, too, was contacted because I submitted CCA 3.0 theme. The problem is, I saw at least one exception in the directory. They are featuring the CCA 3.0 licensed theme in their directory…

Oh well…

By: Truden

Truden — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:13:27 +0000

Thanks, Felipe.
I haven’t seen themes protected with “Artistic License 2.0″ which makes me think that it is not that popular between the theme designers.
Thanks that you pointed at it.
It would be good to have a special article in the leading WP weblogs, revealing the ways to license plugins and themes.

By: felipe.lv

felipe.lv — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:48:12 +0000

With the GPL, it could be possible, even though the person that re-distributes your work MUST follow the GPL terms… and that includes making the source code freely available, which is a great thing for WP themes, since all of them is “source code” (there is no executable or compiled code, at least as far as I know).

If they don’t make the source code freely available (or charge more than a pure “transfer fee”), it seems that you could sue them.

This is covered in the GPL faq: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/l.....mmercially

… but I would triple-check it with a lawyer, anyway

I think the Artistic License 2.0 it’s more restrictive about this, and establishes some very specific conditions on redistribution… check out numbers 2 and 5 on the license. I’m almost positive I’ll use it in the future.

By: jez

jez — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:04:44 +0000

hello felipe,
good follow-up to truden’s and my questions and statements.

if a person was to take stuff, re-brand and sell it, would that be a breach of license and thus be making it applicable to law-suits/legal action?

The reason why I am not releasing my themes under gpl is specifically this issue: I see no point in spending more of my free time (that I could use to spend time with my fiancée, do sports, ) to work on designs and code if it is explicitly easy to rip, copy and sale as under gpl license without any legal consequences.

By: felipe.lv

felipe.lv — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:27 +0000

@Jez: “gratis” is not equal to “free”… as far as I understand from the GPL2, if someone intends to re-distribute a modified form of a GPLv2-licensed software, they should also distribute it under the GPLv2 and cause the modified files to carry a notice that the files have been changed. It has always been a mystery for me if someone could, as you say, take some code, re-brand it and then sell it, but even if they do, they must distribute the source code for free [gratis] or charge only a “transfer fee”

By: felipe.lv

felipe.lv — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:23:49 +0000

@Truden: well, if you look at the requirements, you’ll see that it actually says “GPL Compatible”, and this actually includes many other licenses, such as the “Artistic License 2.0″ or the “Clarified Artistic License”, and even though these are also designed for software, I think they could be a very interesting alternative to GPL and CC… check ‘em out, they’re not very long, and I really think the Artistic License 2.0 it’s a good alternative

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By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:08:16 +0000

Thanks!

By: Truden

Truden — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:35:33 +0000

I’m coming back to the Creative Commons computability with GPL, and please, all WordPress developers and leaders, consider very carefully my words.

GPL license is needed for free software in order to make it freely available for further development by other developers.
Kind of, “if it is free give me the chance to make it better”.
GPL is good for software code and documentation but not good enough for artistic work, where some restrictions may apply.

The WordPress themes are to be considered more artistic work than software work and they don’t necessarily have the need to be open for further developing.
On the contrary, as artistic work they have to stay intact if the author wishes so, but can still be free under the Creative Commons Share alike license.

My point is:
WordPress themes are not software or part of a software which have the need to be open for developing.
The CC license for themes does not limit in any way the freedom of WordPress to develop, because the code used in them is already GPL licensed and is used for displaying artistic content.
The CC license actually does not apply to the code because all the functions are already GPL licensed but applies to the graphics as intellectual property and the way they are used in the theme layer.
(just imagine someone takes your theme, reorder it in a terrible way and leave your name at the bottom, or take your graphics and art and use it in another theme)

I suppose I can be wrong in my interpretation.
If so, would someone explain me how a designer can protect the graphics and the art in his/here theme?
I don’t say that there is no other way.
I just don’t know it.

By: Jeffro2pt0

Jeffro2pt0 — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:16:11 +0000

@Rebecca Yep. Just browse to http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/browse/new/ and click on the RSS link/graphic. This will allow you to be notified of any new themes which are uploaded to the new directory. There is also an RSS feed for recently updated and most popular.

Loving the new theme repository and I fully support their decision to start off from scratch. May the old repository R.I.P. Also glad to see that this will have no effect on the theme release posts as I love browsing those and commenting on my favorite one out of the bunch!

By: Truden

Truden — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:25:17 +0000

That was exactly my point, Jez.
I just wanted to say that CC license is a good way of theme licensing and it should be accepted by Aoutomattic.
Given that it is part of the GPL WordPress software the theme can not be claimed as private properti but the CC license is preventing from stealing the designer’s intellectual property

I think that all theme developers should stand for CC license and force Automattic to accept it as standard licensing for WP themes.

By: jez

jez — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:07:37 +0000

hello, I am not yet digging the GPL license- what is the principle it operates on?
So far what I have read is that images, css and javascript as well as custom code can be “claimed as one’s creative property”, while the wordpress functions (such as listing pages, the loop, etc) is GPL and not ‘owned’ (so to say) by anyone?

For instance, if I were to release a theme under GPL, wouldnt that mean people could just rip and sell it without giving me a chance of getting back to them at all?

I can understand the argument that themes, as a ‘inherited product of wordpress’ must be licensed as GPL, however as a designer without any great knowledge f licensing I am stumbling to grasp “what exactly” this means.

Maybe someone can put it dead-stupid in a single sentence.
I see no great point in spending numerous of hours working on a free design (which I loved to do for the community) if someone can just come around and “claim it”, do stuff and re-sell it.

By: Andrea

Andrea — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:05:51 +0000

Many designers are concerned about just the GPL license because of the *graphics* they include in the theme. CC doesn’t make sense for code, but GPL doesn’t always make sense for graphics.

By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:24:13 +0000

Is there a way to get a feed for all the new themes that get uploaded to the directory? Maybe I missed it. Thanks!

By: Truden

Truden — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:57:09 +0000

Thanks for answering to my question, Otto.
BY means “by” and I don’t understand how NC is not compatible with GPL.
Would you explain, please.
Furthermore themes are software which is not usable on its own but only attached to other software (WP in our case).
Wouldn’t it be wiser if Automattic allow this type of licensing thus enriching the range of the developers working for WordPress?
The rule for the sponsored links can still apply to CC license.

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By: Otto

Otto — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:03:58 +0000

Truden: WordPress is GPL and so a theme (being a derivative) must be GPL-Compatible. CC-BY-NC-SA is not GPL-Compatible, mainly because of the “BY” and “NC” parts.

In general, it is a bad idea to use CC licensing for code of any sort. CC is primarily designed for creative works *other* than software code.

By: Susan

Susan — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:32:27 +0000

Very cool Can’t wait for more themes to get loaded

By: Michael

Michael — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:20:04 +0000

Geez, it took them long enough.