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	<title>Comments on: Turning the other cheek</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164224</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the clarifications and thank you again for taking a firm stance against a practice that is fundamentally against the freedoms of the GPL license.

If designers stop and think for a moment about all the different ways they can ethically monetize their design efforts, loosing the ability to release sponsored themes at major venues is only a minor set back. IMHO, by pressuring designers to not include sponsored links it will actually help their image and add to their credibility as they release themes that are fully compatible with the GPL (i.e.: no encrypted PHP strings that end users cannot edit).

I know all to well what it is like to face criticism in the face of doing what is right. My hat is off to you and you have my full support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the clarifications and thank you again for taking a firm stance against a practice that is fundamentally against the freedoms of the GPL license.</p>
<p>If designers stop and think for a moment about all the different ways they can ethically monetize their design efforts, loosing the ability to release sponsored themes at major venues is only a minor set back. IMHO, by pressuring designers to not include sponsored links it will actually help their image and add to their credibility as they release themes that are fully compatible with the GPL (i.e.: no encrypted PHP strings that end users cannot edit).</p>
<p>I know all to well what it is like to face criticism in the face of doing what is right. My hat is off to you and you have my full support.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomThumb</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164216</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomThumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add one more supporter for you and Matt.  I am more than happy to give credit to theme builders or give "based on" credit when modifying a theme. If a sponsor wants to pay for a link on a site that is onk too. Thank you all for your integrity in bringing this matter to the front lines for discussion. 

People out there writing software with hidden links.... shame!  There is nothing smart or intellegent about deceiving unsuspecting people.  There is no honor in what you do.

Power to free (and honest) speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add one more supporter for you and Matt.  I am more than happy to give credit to theme builders or give &#8220;based on&#8221; credit when modifying a theme. If a sponsor wants to pay for a link on a site that is onk too. Thank you all for your integrity in bringing this matter to the front lines for discussion. </p>
<p>People out there writing software with hidden links&#8230;. shame!  There is nothing smart or intellegent about deceiving unsuspecting people.  There is no honor in what you do.</p>
<p>Power to free (and honest) speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Pi</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164178</link>
		<dc:creator>Pi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see no reason why there shouldn't be a new website dedicated to themes with sponsored links in them; a commercial website where the designers - since they or their links earn money from their work - are required to pay towards the costs of promoting their themes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no reason why there shouldn&#8217;t be a new website dedicated to themes with sponsored links in them; a commercial website where the designers - since they or their links earn money from their work - are required to pay towards the costs of promoting their themes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164174</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark Ghosh: Well done, you have my support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Ghosh: Well done, you have my support.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164172</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line...I appreciate all your hard work and the research that goes into making this site/blog great. Keep it going and ignore the negative ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line&#8230;I appreciate all your hard work and the research that goes into making this site/blog great. Keep it going and ignore the negative <img src='http://weblogtoolscollection.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Case Study: The Pros and Cons of Banning Sponsored WordPress Themes &#187; Reader Appreciation Project</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164171</link>
		<dc:creator>Case Study: The Pros and Cons of Banning Sponsored WordPress Themes &#187; Reader Appreciation Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WordPress theme supporters who want to criticize people like Mark or Matt on a personal level. Mark recently talked the people calling him names. I know about Matt&#8217;s business, but I do not know Matt personally. I can say I care about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] WordPress theme supporters who want to criticize people like Mark or Matt on a personal level. Mark recently talked the people calling him names. I know about Matt&#8217;s business, but I do not know Matt personally. I can say I care about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Honnick</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164168</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Honnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michel, I agree completely that there are other business models that are likely better and that these themes are, in many cases, just a method of abuse / misuse of unsuspecting people and of systems

I'm pretty sure sponsored themes won't stop though and it may be best to suggest to those who have convinced themselves that it actually is a good idea to go find or develop their own channels online instead of taking an elitist stand on the issue. There's plenty of room for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michel, I agree completely that there are other business models that are likely better and that these themes are, in many cases, just a method of abuse / misuse of unsuspecting people and of systems</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure sponsored themes won&#8217;t stop though and it may be best to suggest to those who have convinced themselves that it actually is a good idea to go find or develop their own channels online instead of taking an elitist stand on the issue. There&#8217;s plenty of room for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: MyWebResource &#187; More on the No Sponsored Themes initiative</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164164</link>
		<dc:creator>MyWebResource &#187; More on the No Sponsored Themes initiative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] today, Mark Ghosh of weblogtoolscollection.com posted &#8220;Turning the other cheek&#8220;. This post brought up the fact that the majority of the WP user community stands behind the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] today, Mark Ghosh of weblogtoolscollection.com posted &#8220;Turning the other cheek&#8220;. This post brought up the fact that the majority of the WP user community stands behind the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164157</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Matt and anyone else who decides banning "sponsored themes" is a good idea.  &lt;B&gt;ME TOO&lt;/B&gt;!!!  Thank you!

If someone wants to put a link back to their site within a theme, thats perfectly ok with me.  But putting sponsors on a theme that I use without the ability to remove them is just plain stoopid.

I am usually more than happy to donate to someone who creates a product and puts it out there for all of us to use.  I have spent money on plugins, themes and other packages because they are good quality products.  If you try to force something on me, more than likely I will re-create a similar product and put it out there beside yours with NO forced sponsorship links or anything else.  And I will advertise it as such.

So Matt, Mark et al...  thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, Matt and anyone else who decides banning &#8220;sponsored themes&#8221; is a good idea.  <b>ME TOO</b>!!!  Thank you!</p>
<p>If someone wants to put a link back to their site within a theme, thats perfectly ok with me.  But putting sponsors on a theme that I use without the ability to remove them is just plain stoopid.</p>
<p>I am usually more than happy to donate to someone who creates a product and puts it out there for all of us to use.  I have spent money on plugins, themes and other packages because they are good quality products.  If you try to force something on me, more than likely I will re-create a similar product and put it out there beside yours with NO forced sponsorship links or anything else.  And I will advertise it as such.</p>
<p>So Matt, Mark et al&#8230;  thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahil</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164156</link>
		<dc:creator>Kahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point Monika!

Credit should be given where it is due.  I think that it is an issue for both sides, a problem that comes from both users and developers.  I personally think that the happy medium would be if the only link backs were put into the theme header (like most themes have) and to leave it out of all other places in the theme/plugin.  This would still give the credit of the theme/plugin author and give the end-user control over link-backs and ads, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point Monika!</p>
<p>Credit should be given where it is due.  I think that it is an issue for both sides, a problem that comes from both users and developers.  I personally think that the happy medium would be if the only link backs were put into the theme header (like most themes have) and to leave it out of all other places in the theme/plugin.  This would still give the credit of the theme/plugin author and give the end-user control over link-backs and ads, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164152</link>
		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kahil
no I haven't missunderstood you. I understand your meanings, but this are not different things, this are "two sites of one euro".[I don't know the correct figure of speech inyour language]

why people delete credit links others set hidden links = both is unethical

to delete credit links is unethical as set hidden affily links..

but "nobody" is writing articles about the unethical of delete credit links..


this is an imbalance in most of this articles -

regards
Monika</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kahil<br />
no I haven&#8217;t missunderstood you. I understand your meanings, but this are not different things, this are &#8220;two sites of one euro&#8221;.[I don't know the correct figure of speech inyour language]</p>
<p>why people delete credit links others set hidden links = both is unethical</p>
<p>to delete credit links is unethical as set hidden affily links..</p>
<p>but &#8220;nobody&#8221; is writing articles about the unethical of delete credit links..</p>
<p>this is an imbalance in most of this articles -</p>
<p>regards<br />
Monika</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164151</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support sponsored themes but I still commend you. Hopefully the sponsored themes community will develop their own way to keep going. They deserve to get paid if their work is good and someone is willing and I think payment promotes quality. I'm sure it will work itself out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support sponsored themes but I still commend you. Hopefully the sponsored themes community will develop their own way to keep going. They deserve to get paid if their work is good and someone is willing and I think payment promotes quality. I&#8217;m sure it will work itself out.</p>
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		<title>By: António</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164150</link>
		<dc:creator>António</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that. Nice tong in cheek :)

What some people don't realize is that you are providing free listings here. Make that free bold. If they want to make some business out of themes go find some distribuition platform that allows them to do so or pay google or someone to publicize them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that. Nice tong in cheek <img src='http://weblogtoolscollection.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What some people don&#8217;t realize is that you are providing free listings here. Make that free bold. If they want to make some business out of themes go find some distribuition platform that allows them to do so or pay google or someone to publicize them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahil</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164149</link>
		<dc:creator>Kahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Mark,

I don't know the details that were taken into consideration when they made this decision, but I would think that it was a hard one to make.  There are some themes where the only "sponsored" part would be a link in the footer.  There are also those who put it all over the place, not to mention those that have adsense and the like put in there.  To me there is a huge difference between the two, but I could also see how it would just be easier and less of a hassle to say no "sponsored" themes/plugins across the board.  These guys would have to look at each of them individually, etc.  Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and generalize a little in order to avoid singling out people on a defined scale.  You can see how all this has been taken on the general scale it is on now, just imagine how it woudl be if they said that some sponsored themes/plugins are allowed, but not those who do or have this or that, etc.  Does that make sense?  I may be reading into all this incorrectly, but thats what I get from it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Mark,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the details that were taken into consideration when they made this decision, but I would think that it was a hard one to make.  There are some themes where the only &#8220;sponsored&#8221; part would be a link in the footer.  There are also those who put it all over the place, not to mention those that have adsense and the like put in there.  To me there is a huge difference between the two, but I could also see how it would just be easier and less of a hassle to say no &#8220;sponsored&#8221; themes/plugins across the board.  These guys would have to look at each of them individually, etc.  Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and generalize a little in order to avoid singling out people on a defined scale.  You can see how all this has been taken on the general scale it is on now, just imagine how it woudl be if they said that some sponsored themes/plugins are allowed, but not those who do or have this or that, etc.  Does that make sense?  I may be reading into all this incorrectly, but thats what I get from it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Dec 26, we first sent an email to the Undersigned to look into the ratings abuse.

No reply.

On March 2nd 2007, we requested Matt Mullenweg to investigate into the same issue.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/headsetop/themeviewerscam/mattmullenwegemail.gif

No reply. 

On the same day, I contacted a friend from Technorati to help us, and he suggested we pitch the scam story around to some high-profile blogs in the technology, software field with a big bunch of audience. So I contacted you (Mark Ghosh) at that time and I am most thankful to you for your prompt responses and willingness to help us always, unlike Michael Hancock, (the WordPress.org moderator who showed absolutely no interest in the report of copyrights violation provided to him). 

On 18th March, we contacted the Undersigned once again and as everyone knows, the rating system was out immediately.

http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/headsetop/themeviewerscam/?action=view&#38;current=thomasemail-1.gif

As if downrating and theme ripoffs was not enough for us to go through, one fine day, you labeled all sponsored designers as "unethical". Had you written that on www.mindfulmusings.net, I wouldn't care, I would have taken it as normative and I would be fine with it. But I think you have a bigger responsibility when you write on WLTC and I was taken aback to see how someone of your stature made a generalized statement, followed by Matt. "Unethical" is a big word. Can't you see the efforts we have consistently put in building good themes for the past one year? When we were at the receiving end of the stick, no one helped us; instead of punishing those who wronged us, the rating system got removed. We have worked hard with a high level of dedication, and we have real users' real testimonials on our sites which speak about our service, we don't need any rating system to prove our worth. Our honesty is our pride and we do not want anyone to insult our intelligence. If you have an opinion, so do we. 

As far as favoritism is concerned, the fact that you discriminate between themes based on footer links and not based on the design is favoritism in itself, (in my opinion), you may think otherwise. Inspite of knowing about 32 links in Jez's themes, inspite of knowing about his aliases, you listed his theme recently on top of your blog without mentioning "Contains 32 links". When I see such discrimination, I lose faith in the system and those who run it. 

I want to thank you for taking back the generalization in this blog, it does mean a lot to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Dec 26, we first sent an email to the Undersigned to look into the ratings abuse.</p>
<p>No reply.</p>
<p>On March 2nd 2007, we requested Matt Mullenweg to investigate into the same issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/headsetop/themeviewerscam/mattmullenwegemail.gif">http://i71.photobucket.com/alb.....gemail.gif</a></p>
<p>No reply. </p>
<p>On the same day, I contacted a friend from Technorati to help us, and he suggested we pitch the scam story around to some high-profile blogs in the technology, software field with a big bunch of audience. So I contacted you (Mark Ghosh) at that time and I am most thankful to you for your prompt responses and willingness to help us always, unlike Michael Hancock, (the WordPress.org moderator who showed absolutely no interest in the report of copyrights violation provided to him). </p>
<p>On 18th March, we contacted the Undersigned once again and as everyone knows, the rating system was out immediately.</p>
<p><a href="http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/headsetop/themeviewerscam/?action=view&amp;current=thomasemail-1.gif">http://s71.photobucket.com/alb.....mail-1.gif</a></p>
<p>As if downrating and theme ripoffs was not enough for us to go through, one fine day, you labeled all sponsored designers as &#8220;unethical&#8221;. Had you written that on <a href="http://www.mindfulmusings.net">http://www.mindfulmusings.net</a>, I wouldn&#8217;t care, I would have taken it as normative and I would be fine with it. But I think you have a bigger responsibility when you write on WLTC and I was taken aback to see how someone of your stature made a generalized statement, followed by Matt. &#8220;Unethical&#8221; is a big word. Can&#8217;t you see the efforts we have consistently put in building good themes for the past one year? When we were at the receiving end of the stick, no one helped us; instead of punishing those who wronged us, the rating system got removed. We have worked hard with a high level of dedication, and we have real users&#8217; real testimonials on our sites which speak about our service, we don&#8217;t need any rating system to prove our worth. Our honesty is our pride and we do not want anyone to insult our intelligence. If you have an opinion, so do we. </p>
<p>As far as favoritism is concerned, the fact that you discriminate between themes based on footer links and not based on the design is favoritism in itself, (in my opinion), you may think otherwise. Inspite of knowing about 32 links in Jez&#8217;s themes, inspite of knowing about his aliases, you listed his theme recently on top of your blog without mentioning &#8220;Contains 32 links&#8221;. When I see such discrimination, I lose faith in the system and those who run it. </p>
<p>I want to thank you for taking back the generalization in this blog, it does mean a lot to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kahil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Monika,

I think you may have misunderstood me...  What I meant was that people should leave the credit/backlinks that are in the theme's header sections, etc.  If someone changes a theme dramatically and removes that info, then they should at least give credit.  What I think most people don't like, myself included, is having links or ads all over the site that weren't directly added by the site's owner, etc.  For me, if I am going to post an ad or link then it is going to be because I want to.  When you post a link or ad like that you are basically endorsing that site, product, service, etc.  I hope that makes more sense...

Thanks,
Kahil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Monika,</p>
<p>I think you may have misunderstood me&#8230;  What I meant was that people should leave the credit/backlinks that are in the theme&#8217;s header sections, etc.  If someone changes a theme dramatically and removes that info, then they should at least give credit.  What I think most people don&#8217;t like, myself included, is having links or ads all over the site that weren&#8217;t directly added by the site&#8217;s owner, etc.  For me, if I am going to post an ad or link then it is going to be because I want to.  When you post a link or ad like that you are basically endorsing that site, product, service, etc.  I hope that makes more sense&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Kahil</p>
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		<title>By: Network Geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Network Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think the people who resorting to name calling are stinky stupid-heads.
Honestly, when you first wrote about it, I had to go find out what you were talking about and when I did, I was appalled.  Linking back to the designer's site is one thing, but using unsuspecting bloggers as hidden, sneaky zombie link spammers is deplorable.  So, bravo, sir, on taking a stand for ethics in a largely unethical arena.  Bravo to you both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think the people who resorting to name calling are stinky stupid-heads.<br />
Honestly, when you first wrote about it, I had to go find out what you were talking about and when I did, I was appalled.  Linking back to the designer&#8217;s site is one thing, but using unsuspecting bloggers as hidden, sneaky zombie link spammers is deplorable.  So, bravo, sir, on taking a stand for ethics in a largely unethical arena.  Bravo to you both.</p>
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		<title>By: michel v</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/07/16/turning-the-other-cheek/#comment-1164145</link>
		<dc:creator>michel v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn: themes as freebies are an advertising support... for the designer's business. One can operate a business on designing custom themes for a fee, customizing existing ones, or even fit a whole WP install for a client's needs.
There are many business models that can be used, that do not involve abusing users with ads or other shady deals… (but hey sure, they involve more work than just placing some spammers' links once, abusing hundreds users' search engines ranking and watching the pennies slowly roll in.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn: themes as freebies are an advertising support&#8230; for the designer&#8217;s business. One can operate a business on designing custom themes for a fee, customizing existing ones, or even fit a whole WP install for a client&#8217;s needs.<br />
There are many business models that can be used, that do not involve abusing users with ads or other shady deals… (but hey sure, they involve more work than just placing some spammers&#8217; links once, abusing hundreds users&#8217; search engines ranking and watching the pennies slowly roll in.)</p>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kahil
&lt;blockquote cite="Kahil"&gt;....is about are two separate things, though they are similar.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WP Theme Blank:(texto . de) &#62; 20K downloads ~ 107 Backlinks!
thats the reality. ;)

You wouldn't promote plugins or themes with sponsore links or publisher code if hidden or not - I think this absolutly correct. 
You must not make an excuse for the wp community for your arbitration (?)to do this.

If I read this article it sounds like: please understand me, don't be angry with me.

To take firm stand is always the better way.

;)

I hope you would like to promote themes without "creative html" and creative css hacks... ;)
this is one of my daydreams if I read all the "help me" threads at our wp support forum.

have a nice day 
regards
Monika</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kahil</p>
<blockquote cite="Kahil"><p>&#8230;.is about are two separate things, though they are similar.</p></blockquote>
<p>WP Theme Blank:(texto . de) &gt; 20K downloads ~ 107 Backlinks!<br />
thats the reality. <img src='http://weblogtoolscollection.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t promote plugins or themes with sponsore links or publisher code if hidden or not - I think this absolutly correct.<br />
You must not make an excuse for the wp community for your arbitration (?)to do this.</p>
<p>If I read this article it sounds like: please understand me, don&#8217;t be angry with me.</p>
<p>To take firm stand is always the better way.</p>
<p> <img src='http://weblogtoolscollection.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I hope you would like to promote themes without &#8220;creative html&#8221; and creative css hacks&#8230; <img src='http://weblogtoolscollection.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
this is one of my daydreams if I read all the &#8220;help me&#8221; threads at our wp support forum.</p>
<p>have a nice day<br />
regards<br />
Monika</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Honnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Honnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These designers have a profit (business) motive. To operate as a business, advertising should be part of their plans. Perhaps either another site or a section of this that showcases "sponsored" themes would be a solution. Maybe this has already been discussed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These designers have a profit (business) motive. To operate as a business, advertising should be part of their plans. Perhaps either another site or a section of this that showcases &#8220;sponsored&#8221; themes would be a solution. Maybe this has already been discussed?</p>
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