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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: æˆ‘çˆ±æ°´ç…®é±¼ &#187; Spam Karma 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>æˆ‘çˆ±æ°´ç…®é±¼ &#187; Spam Karma 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WeblogToolsCollection EspaÃ±ol &#187; Blog Archive &#187; APAD: Akismet</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de haber cubierto Spam Karma 2, no hay ni que decir que el segundo mejor plugin (en mi opiniÃ³n, aunque otros pueden no estar de [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WordPress Wednesday News: Security Release, Hot Tips for WordPress Bloggers, and a WordPress Plugin for Your Next of Kin at The Blog Herald</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Weblog Tools Collection &#187; Blog Archive &#187; APAD: Akismet</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157766</link>
		<dc:creator>Weblog Tools Collection &#187; Blog Archive &#187; APAD: Akismet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] covering Spam Karma 2, it does go without mention that the second best (IMO, though others may differ) spam fighting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oluniyi David Ajao</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157368</link>
		<dc:creator>Oluniyi David Ajao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with Akismet is that it sometimes catches good trackbacks from reputable websites, as spam and so  I am obliged to look through the spam before deleting them permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with Akismet is that it sometimes catches good trackbacks from reputable websites, as spam and so  I am obliged to look through the spam before deleting them permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajay</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157324</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither of the two can do anything on the server level. SK2 works better than Akismet because you can use Akismet as an additional check for SK2, besides the numerous other filters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither of the two can do anything on the server level. SK2 works better than Akismet because you can use Akismet as an additional check for SK2, besides the numerous other filters.</p>
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		<title>By: dvg</title>
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		<dc:creator>dvg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Akismet since late August and it's caught well over 100k spams since then.  That's over 450/day; it's a misleading number because it's jumped to over 1300/day for the last week or so.
I'm wondering if SK2 will do better to stop these $*@&#38;@#! at the server level.  If I install SK2, do I disable Akismet first?  Or do I completely remove Akismet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Akismet since late August and it&#8217;s caught well over 100k spams since then.  That&#8217;s over 450/day; it&#8217;s a misleading number because it&#8217;s jumped to over 1300/day for the last week or so.<br />
I&#8217;m wondering if SK2 will do better to stop these $*@&amp;@#! at the server level.  If I install SK2, do I disable Akismet first?  Or do I completely remove Akismet?</p>
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		<title>By: BJohnM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJohnM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use SK2 with the Akismet plugin. I simply use the Severity setting in General options and have never tweaked the other settings...other than to turn on the Akismet plugin.

I agree that Akismet is simpler on the surface, but because it is a hosted solution, at least of couple of times, Akismet servers have gone down (they do a great job, but it does happen). I was never even aware of Akismet being down until articles were posted about it later. This was because SK2 was also hard at work.

So, I'll stick with the combined solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use SK2 with the Akismet plugin. I simply use the Severity setting in General options and have never tweaked the other settings&#8230;other than to turn on the Akismet plugin.</p>
<p>I agree that Akismet is simpler on the surface, but because it is a hosted solution, at least of couple of times, Akismet servers have gone down (they do a great job, but it does happen). I was never even aware of Akismet being down until articles were posted about it later. This was because SK2 was also hard at work.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;ll stick with the combined solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157306</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Ollie and TechZ.  I use SK2 exclusively and have never had a need for Akismet or anything else.  Activate it and let it run.  Nothing could be easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Ollie and TechZ.  I use SK2 exclusively and have never had a need for Akismet or anything else.  Activate it and let it run.  Nothing could be easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157305</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used it for several months and am very happy with it. While I understand Otto's comments, I actually agree with Kirk M. The main problem with SK2 is that it appears complex when the truth is that it is powerful enough to use in its default state. That is what I have done and it has stopped all the spam that was plaguing me and never thrown away a legitimate comment. In the end the only fine-tuning that I did was to change how often it reported to me because after a while I started to trust it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used it for several months and am very happy with it. While I understand Otto&#8217;s comments, I actually agree with Kirk M. The main problem with SK2 is that it appears complex when the truth is that it is powerful enough to use in its default state. That is what I have done and it has stopped all the spam that was plaguing me and never thrown away a legitimate comment. In the end the only fine-tuning that I did was to change how often it reported to me because after a while I started to trust it <img src='http://weblogtoolscollection.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Deanna Marie</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157303</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, SK2 starts where Akismet stops.  Whenever Akismet misses a spam comment, SK2 always catches it, so there is zero display of spam on my site.  SK2 lets me teach Akismet what's spam without having to worry about spam making my front page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, SK2 starts where Akismet stops.  Whenever Akismet misses a spam comment, SK2 always catches it, so there is zero display of spam on my site.  SK2 lets me teach Akismet what&#8217;s spam without having to worry about spam making my front page.</p>
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		<title>By: WeblogToolsCollection EspaÃ±ol &#187; Blog Archive &#187; APAD: Span Karma 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>WeblogToolsCollection EspaÃ±ol &#187; Blog Archive &#187; APAD: Span Karma 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leftblank</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157299</link>
		<dc:creator>Leftblank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a happy Akismet + Bad Behavior user and I see absolutely no reason to change to Spam Karma, simply because Akismet blocks everything BB lets slip through, which isn't a lot at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a happy Akismet + Bad Behavior user and I see absolutely no reason to change to Spam Karma, simply because Akismet blocks everything BB lets slip through, which isn&#8217;t a lot at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wales</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157298</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have given Spam Karma a try before, but as others have stated there are simply way to many options.

I'm an Akismet fan - simple to use, just turn it on and let it do it's thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have given Spam Karma a try before, but as others have stated there are simply way to many options.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an Akismet fan - simple to use, just turn it on and let it do it&#8217;s thing.</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157297</link>
		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not really sure of what use a complicated spam blocking plugin serves, when a client-wise simple one (akismet) blocks all spam.  or does akismet not block 100% spam for some people?  i've never had a problem with it so far.

does SK2 rely on an external source for deciding what spam to block? if it doesn't then it has the possibility of being gamed, whereas akismet grows stronger over time without the need for downloading a new version of the plugin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not really sure of what use a complicated spam blocking plugin serves, when a client-wise simple one (akismet) blocks all spam.  or does akismet not block 100% spam for some people?  i&#8217;ve never had a problem with it so far.</p>
<p>does SK2 rely on an external source for deciding what spam to block? if it doesn&#8217;t then it has the possibility of being gamed, whereas akismet grows stronger over time without the need for downloading a new version of the plugin.</p>
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		<title>By: TechZ</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157295</link>
		<dc:creator>TechZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used SK2 with Akisment, but then stopped using Akisment altogether and let SK2 run on its own, so far 1000's of blocked spam comments later, I'm a satisfied customer of SK2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used SK2 with Akisment, but then stopped using Akisment altogether and let SK2 run on its own, so far 1000&#8217;s of blocked spam comments later, I&#8217;m a satisfied customer of SK2.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157294</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried Spam Karma, but I found that the plethora of options was too much and also rather pointless. I went back to using just Bad Behavior and Akismet and have not have the need for SK2. It's too complex and involved, and I just can't recommend it to new users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried Spam Karma, but I found that the plethora of options was too much and also rather pointless. I went back to using just Bad Behavior and Akismet and have not have the need for SK2. It&#8217;s too complex and involved, and I just can&#8217;t recommend it to new users.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk M</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2007/04/02/apad-spam-karma-2/#comment-1157284</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been using Spam Karma since version 2 and I have no complaints so far. I do have to point out that the large amount of options, blacklists, etc  and very professional air about the plugin may put off a new comer to Wordpress. I don't think the fact it can be a "set it and forget it" type plugin is advertised well enough. Otherwise...no problem.

With that said, I've experimented with various combinations of anti-spam type plugins and I've found that one is not enough in stopping &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt;. Currently I use SK2.3, Akismet and Bad Behavior. These three work very well together and Bad Behavior has cut down a significant amount of wasted bandwidth by blocking spam bots before they get onto the property so to speak.

For most bloggers though, I believe SK2 with the Moderation plugin and Akismet plugin for SK2 would be more than enough protection as you pointed out.

Wordy ain't I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using Spam Karma since version 2 and I have no complaints so far. I do have to point out that the large amount of options, blacklists, etc  and very professional air about the plugin may put off a new comer to Wordpress. I don&#8217;t think the fact it can be a &#8220;set it and forget it&#8221; type plugin is advertised well enough. Otherwise&#8230;no problem.</p>
<p>With that said, I&#8217;ve experimented with various combinations of anti-spam type plugins and I&#8217;ve found that one is not enough in stopping <i>everything</i>. Currently I use SK2.3, Akismet and Bad Behavior. These three work very well together and Bad Behavior has cut down a significant amount of wasted bandwidth by blocking spam bots before they get onto the property so to speak.</p>
<p>For most bloggers though, I believe SK2 with the Moderation plugin and Akismet plugin for SK2 would be more than enough protection as you pointed out.</p>
<p>Wordy ain&#8217;t I?</p>
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		<title>By: pablopabla</title>
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		<dc:creator>pablopabla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been using SK2 for 2 of my blogs so far and it's been doing okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using SK2 for 2 of my blogs so far and it&#8217;s been doing okay.</p>
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