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		<title>By: An essay for the blogosphere &#124; BlogoSquare</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1228828</link>
		<dc:creator>An essay for the blogosphere &#124; BlogoSquare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arguments against CAPTCHA &#187; Web-master's Freedom of Speech</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1213715</link>
		<dc:creator>Arguments against CAPTCHA &#187; Web-master's Freedom of Speech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this blog author leads arguments as to why the system of protection against bots, called CAPTCHA is not the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: emubrerse</title>
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		<dc:creator>emubrerse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ÐÑ€Ð³ÑƒÐ¼ÐµÐ½Ñ‚Ñ‹ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¸Ð² CAPTCHA &#38;laquo Ð¡Ð²Ð¾Ð±Ð¾Ð´Ð° ÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²Ð° Ð²ÐµÐ±Ð¼Ð°ÑÑ‚ÐµÑ€ÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1160251</link>
		<dc:creator>ÐÑ€Ð³ÑƒÐ¼ÐµÐ½Ñ‚Ñ‹ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¸Ð² CAPTCHA &#38;laquo Ð¡Ð²Ð¾Ð±Ð¾Ð´Ð° ÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²Ð° Ð²ÐµÐ±Ð¼Ð°ÑÑ‚ÐµÑ€ÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 19:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WordPress Anti-Spam Techniques &#187; Reader Appreciaton Project</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1158306</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress Anti-Spam Techniques &#187; Reader Appreciaton Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] point the author of this anti-CAPTCHA essay is that CAPTCHAs aren&#8217;t really necessary given the back-end anti-spam solutions for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: I Hate Capthcas - My New Blogging Enemy #1 &#187; Connected Internet</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1093208</link>
		<dc:creator>I Hate Capthcas - My New Blogging Enemy #1 &#187; Connected Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Adding Capthchas also put an additional barrier in place that could stop a reader posting.Â  If you really want to check that your poster is human then check out the Math Challenge Plugin that asks a &#8217;simple&#8217; maths question before a comment is posted.Â  You can see a similar solution in action at SEOpedia. More: WeblogTools [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Adding Capthchas also put an additional barrier in place that could stop a reader posting.Â  If you really want to check that your poster is human then check out the Math Challenge Plugin that asks a &#8217;simple&#8217; maths question before a comment is posted.Â  You can see a similar solution in action at SEOpedia. More: WeblogTools [...]</p>
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		<title>By: evelyn</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1047119</link>
		<dc:creator>evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is, for your average blogger, captcha is actually the simplest and most effective anti-spam tool available. Most blogging softwares have it installed, or as an installable option, and it doesn't require the person who runs it to do anything. 

I was deleting hundreds of spam each day on my personal  blog - personal blog, nothing that draws traffic from anyone but my circle of family and friends. I had several modules that blocked based on known blacklists, but still I was getting hundreds of automated spam. Installed captcha and now I get something spammy through about once a month. 

In a personal situation things are a bit different - no one I know has problems seeing the captcha screen or reading the letters/numbers. And I don't want to have to worry about needing to approve posts. So it is simple - a couple of seconds for a visitor to decipher the screen and neither of us are bothered by unwanted spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, for your average blogger, captcha is actually the simplest and most effective anti-spam tool available. Most blogging softwares have it installed, or as an installable option, and it doesn&#8217;t require the person who runs it to do anything. </p>
<p>I was deleting hundreds of spam each day on my personal  blog - personal blog, nothing that draws traffic from anyone but my circle of family and friends. I had several modules that blocked based on known blacklists, but still I was getting hundreds of automated spam. Installed captcha and now I get something spammy through about once a month. </p>
<p>In a personal situation things are a bit different - no one I know has problems seeing the captcha screen or reading the letters/numbers. And I don&#8217;t want to have to worry about needing to approve posts. So it is simple - a couple of seconds for a visitor to decipher the screen and neither of us are bothered by unwanted spam.</p>
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		<title>By: Debate sobre captchas &#187; BlogMundi</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1021563</link>
		<dc:creator>Debate sobre captchas &#187; BlogMundi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] En un post anterior&#160;decÃ­a que la proliferaciÃ³n del uso de lectores de feeds iba en detrimento de los comentarios en los blogs. En Weblog Tools Collection&#160;realizan un anÃ¡lisis de lo perjudicial del uso de captchas en blogs a la hora de generar comentarios. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] En un post anterior&nbsp;decÃ­a que la proliferaciÃ³n del uso de lectores de feeds iba en detrimento de los comentarios en los blogs. En Weblog Tools Collection&nbsp;realizan un anÃ¡lisis de lo perjudicial del uso de captchas en blogs a la hora de generar comentarios. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hide your Email Address from Spammers with Escape Code - RL Digital</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1007809</link>
		<dc:creator>Hide your Email Address from Spammers with Escape Code - RL Digital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is nothing worse than having your email inbox fill up spam just after you set it up. You need to post your email address on your blog/webpage so that readers/customers can contact you. How can you prevent the spammers from getting it while allowing legitimate users access? WordPress plugins and scripts that use CAPTCHAs are one way. However, they are not so easy to implement on non-PHP pages. And, some CAPTCHA critics claim they deter legitimate users. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is nothing worse than having your email inbox fill up spam just after you set it up. You need to post your email address on your blog/webpage so that readers/customers can contact you. How can you prevent the spammers from getting it while allowing legitimate users access? WordPress plugins and scripts that use CAPTCHAs are one way. However, they are not so easy to implement on non-PHP pages. And, some CAPTCHA critics claim they deter legitimate users. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lambic</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1007472</link>
		<dc:creator>lambic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I considered the auto-shutoff route, but I actually quite like it when someone comes across an old post of mine and decides to comment on it, so I didn't want to lose that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I considered the auto-shutoff route, but I actually quite like it when someone comes across an old post of mine and decides to comment on it, so I didn&#8217;t want to lose that.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1006847</link>
		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After using just about everything to control spam, I installed the auto-shutoff plugin and set it to shut off comments for all posts over 14 days old. It's worked better than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After using just about everything to control spam, I installed the auto-shutoff plugin and set it to shut off comments for all posts over 14 days old. It&#8217;s worked better than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloganbieter.de &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Captcha als Schutz vor Spam in den Kommentaren</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1003927</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloganbieter.de &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Captcha als Schutz vor Spam in den Kommentaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1003927</guid>
		<description>[...] Update: Dass Captchas nicht die ultimative LÃ¶sung sind, Kommentar Spam zu bekÃ¤mpfen, hat Mark von Weblog Tools Collection in diesem Post erklÃ¤rt. Seine wichtigsten Punkte sind: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update: Dass Captchas nicht die ultimative LÃ¶sung sind, Kommentar Spam zu bekÃ¤mpfen, hat Mark von Weblog Tools Collection in diesem Post erklÃ¤rt. Seine wichtigsten Punkte sind: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Xial</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-1002644</link>
		<dc:creator>Xial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 10:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Chris: 
I hate filling out CAPTCHA, and I'll generally not comment on something if forced to fill out a CAPTCHA.

Many of them are annoying to read, at best, and impossible to read, at worst.

I hate being forced to fill them out while trying to log in somewhere. I know my username, I know my password, just LET ME LOG IN, right?

Case in point: I had to log in on a specific website I visit. I've already told them of my displeasure with the CAPTCHA they added to the login. I knew my name, and my password, but it took me three tries to get the bloody CAPTCHA right! At 14 seconds a pop, that's three quarters of a minute &lt;strong&gt;wasted&lt;/strong&gt; on a stupid log in form.
(I also have a hateboner with requiring javascript to even log in.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Chris:<br />
I hate filling out CAPTCHA, and I&#8217;ll generally not comment on something if forced to fill out a CAPTCHA.</p>
<p>Many of them are annoying to read, at best, and impossible to read, at worst.</p>
<p>I hate being forced to fill them out while trying to log in somewhere. I know my username, I know my password, just LET ME LOG IN, right?</p>
<p>Case in point: I had to log in on a specific website I visit. I&#8217;ve already told them of my displeasure with the CAPTCHA they added to the login. I knew my name, and my password, but it took me three tries to get the bloody CAPTCHA right! At 14 seconds a pop, that&#8217;s three quarters of a minute <strong>wasted</strong> on a stupid log in form.<br />
(I also have a hateboner with requiring javascript to even log in.)</p>
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		<title>By: CAPTCHAs - A necessary evil? &#187; ConvUrgency.com E-Marketing Strategies &#38; Services</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-994915</link>
		<dc:creator>CAPTCHAs - A necessary evil? &#187; ConvUrgency.com E-Marketing Strategies &#38; Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve just come across this article over at web log tools collection and it raises a few interesting points. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CAPTCHA! I got you! at Pkchukiss - Reality Wine</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-994653</link>
		<dc:creator>CAPTCHA! I got you! at Pkchukiss - Reality Wine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now, after reading a post by Mark from Weblog Tools Collection that is mostly disapproving of the image Frankensteins, I am totally convinced that CAPTCHAs actually hinders commenting, (or registration, if your site happens to be using it). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now, after reading a post by Mark from Weblog Tools Collection that is mostly disapproving of the image Frankensteins, I am totally convinced that CAPTCHAs actually hinders commenting, (or registration, if your site happens to be using it). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-992559</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm up for trying anything to combat this scourge, but false positives tend to seriously antagonise your readership in my experience - therefore labour intensive checking it has to be. Plus it hinders the spontaneity of discussion.
 
Also, just by looking at the comments on this post you could say that the average commenter of any worth will take a minimum of 3 - 4 minutes thoughtfully constructing his text. How long does it take to fill out a good captcha system? 5 seconds... if that... Not a great deal of time in the scheme of things.

John - a good cms software will enable the webmaster to comment with out filling out captchas.

There are undoubtedly good and bad captcha systems hence my careful use of the term "good captcha system". The poorer cousins are a menace - of that I can heartily agree. However, get it right and captchas can be very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m up for trying anything to combat this scourge, but false positives tend to seriously antagonise your readership in my experience - therefore labour intensive checking it has to be. Plus it hinders the spontaneity of discussion.</p>
<p>Also, just by looking at the comments on this post you could say that the average commenter of any worth will take a minimum of 3 - 4 minutes thoughtfully constructing his text. How long does it take to fill out a good captcha system? 5 seconds&#8230; if that&#8230; Not a great deal of time in the scheme of things.</p>
<p>John - a good cms software will enable the webmaster to comment with out filling out captchas.</p>
<p>There are undoubtedly good and bad captcha systems hence my careful use of the term &#8220;good captcha system&#8221;. The poorer cousins are a menace - of that I can heartily agree. However, get it right and captchas can be very effective.</p>
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		<title>By: john t unger</title>
		<link>http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2006/12/05/captchas-who-needs-them/#comment-992508</link>
		<dc:creator>john t unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use CAPTCHAs on my blogs and it does bum me outâ€¦ I'd rather that there was a less labor intensive way for readers to be distinguished from bots. Even with the CAPTCHAs, some spam gets through, but it's much better than it was when I turned them off.

I also aggressively monitor my comments, and use blacklisting, word banning etc. There are some words common to spam comments which I don't want to blacklist, because they might also have legit uses.

I used to hold comments for approval, but I don't care for the delay that this forces on the conversation. Plus, although it's a good way to make sure that you reply to comments, it's ultimately too time consuming.

Readers can sign in to my blog with TypeKey to avoid the CAPTCHAs, but I regard that as only a partial solution. Even though the service has improved, I don't like that it doesn't allow the URL link to be specified on a comment post, and it's still an extra step.

I think the best solution will come from 3rd party identity verifiers eventually. You'll sign in when you get online, and your verified ID will be used to mark you as a person. Sure, that system can be gamed also, but I think it shows promise.

Two points in favor of CAPTCHAs:

1. Since I have a comments feed, I feel very strongly that I need to do everything I can to save my readers from spam comments.

2. Sometimes, that extra step before posting a comment gives a reader just an extra moment to think about whether they really want to go on record with their comment. Also, it provides a moment to think about whether you've said all you need to say. I never use the "preview" feature of comments, but I have edited comments I was leaving to either include or delete part of the comment when I noticed something in the preview that usually comes up along with a CAPTCHA.

One point against:

I hate having to fill out the CAPTCHA myself when I leave a comment in response on my own blogs! I try to respond to most comments, so I end up having to fill out a lot more CAPTCHAs than I would if I were just commenting elsewhere!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use CAPTCHAs on my blogs and it does bum me outâ€¦ I&#8217;d rather that there was a less labor intensive way for readers to be distinguished from bots. Even with the CAPTCHAs, some spam gets through, but it&#8217;s much better than it was when I turned them off.</p>
<p>I also aggressively monitor my comments, and use blacklisting, word banning etc. There are some words common to spam comments which I don&#8217;t want to blacklist, because they might also have legit uses.</p>
<p>I used to hold comments for approval, but I don&#8217;t care for the delay that this forces on the conversation. Plus, although it&#8217;s a good way to make sure that you reply to comments, it&#8217;s ultimately too time consuming.</p>
<p>Readers can sign in to my blog with TypeKey to avoid the CAPTCHAs, but I regard that as only a partial solution. Even though the service has improved, I don&#8217;t like that it doesn&#8217;t allow the URL link to be specified on a comment post, and it&#8217;s still an extra step.</p>
<p>I think the best solution will come from 3rd party identity verifiers eventually. You&#8217;ll sign in when you get online, and your verified ID will be used to mark you as a person. Sure, that system can be gamed also, but I think it shows promise.</p>
<p>Two points in favor of CAPTCHAs:</p>
<p>1. Since I have a comments feed, I feel very strongly that I need to do everything I can to save my readers from spam comments.</p>
<p>2. Sometimes, that extra step before posting a comment gives a reader just an extra moment to think about whether they really want to go on record with their comment. Also, it provides a moment to think about whether you&#8217;ve said all you need to say. I never use the &#8220;preview&#8221; feature of comments, but I have edited comments I was leaving to either include or delete part of the comment when I noticed something in the preview that usually comes up along with a CAPTCHA.</p>
<p>One point against:</p>
<p>I hate having to fill out the CAPTCHA myself when I leave a comment in response on my own blogs! I try to respond to most comments, so I end up having to fill out a lot more CAPTCHAs than I would if I were just commenting elsewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: lambic</title>
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		<dc:creator>lambic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I'm not sure why you think Akismet is labour intensive. It took me five minute to install. For the first little while after it was installed I checked the comments it marked as spam for false positives but now I don't even do that, I just hit the Delete All button every now and then.

Obviously if you're worried about false positives then it will take a bit longer to scan the marked comments but even then you can scroll through them pretty quickly. I don't bother, and it's only bitten me once, thanks to a reader whose username was a common online card game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#8217;m not sure why you think Akismet is labour intensive. It took me five minute to install. For the first little while after it was installed I checked the comments it marked as spam for false positives but now I don&#8217;t even do that, I just hit the Delete All button every now and then.</p>
<p>Obviously if you&#8217;re worried about false positives then it will take a bit longer to scan the marked comments but even then you can scroll through them pretty quickly. I don&#8217;t bother, and it&#8217;s only bitten me once, thanks to a reader whose username was a common online card game.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate captchas. I have slight vision problems from retinopathy and I have the hardest time reading captchas when they are distorted at all. It's so much of a pain, that I don't spend as much time reading blogs that use them anymore. I would like to be able to comment without having to take a vision test!

As for forums, I think they are ok for sign up forms. That's a one time thing, as opposed to posting on forums which is a more frequent thing, like commenting on blogs. So capthca's for forum sign ups is ok, just not for every forum post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate captchas. I have slight vision problems from retinopathy and I have the hardest time reading captchas when they are distorted at all. It&#8217;s so much of a pain, that I don&#8217;t spend as much time reading blogs that use them anymore. I would like to be able to comment without having to take a vision test!</p>
<p>As for forums, I think they are ok for sign up forms. That&#8217;s a one time thing, as opposed to posting on forums which is a more frequent thing, like commenting on blogs. So capthca&#8217;s for forum sign ups is ok, just not for every forum post.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, but couldn't disagree more. Here's why:

Well formed captchas are easy for all but the seriously visually impaired. Sound based captchas are also available.

Umm, I'm signed up to a spam database for email. But as you point out spammers aren't stupid, they soon create workarounds. I'd be interested to see how labour intensive Akismet really is? Going by some accounts - very!

Comment analysis programs are all very well but they have plenty of weaknesses that bots can exploit. Trust me, you can get yourself into a real lather trying to plug all the holes.

Whitelisting and blacklisting can be very helpful in resolving minor spam issues and very handy for blocking malicious or persistent offenders. 

In summary, I struggle to see why you would put yourself to all this extra effort when a captcha very efficiently takes care of all but the most sophisticated and persistent spammers.

By the way - if you're highlighting time as an issue then really anybody who as anything worth saying will not begrudge a few seconds tapping out a captcha.

Interesting debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, but couldn&#8217;t disagree more. Here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>Well formed captchas are easy for all but the seriously visually impaired. Sound based captchas are also available.</p>
<p>Umm, I&#8217;m signed up to a spam database for email. But as you point out spammers aren&#8217;t stupid, they soon create workarounds. I&#8217;d be interested to see how labour intensive Akismet really is? Going by some accounts - very!</p>
<p>Comment analysis programs are all very well but they have plenty of weaknesses that bots can exploit. Trust me, you can get yourself into a real lather trying to plug all the holes.</p>
<p>Whitelisting and blacklisting can be very helpful in resolving minor spam issues and very handy for blocking malicious or persistent offenders. </p>
<p>In summary, I struggle to see why you would put yourself to all this extra effort when a captcha very efficiently takes care of all but the most sophisticated and persistent spammers.</p>
<p>By the way - if you&#8217;re highlighting time as an issue then really anybody who as anything worth saying will not begrudge a few seconds tapping out a captcha.</p>
<p>Interesting debate.</p>
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