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SkratchPad: Huh?

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SkratchPad: Huh? The rationale is lost to me.

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  1. Scott Burkett (3 comments.) says:

    Wow, what a blatant ripoff of WP. Sad.

  2. Computer Guru (13 comments.) says:

    Hmmmph!
    Lawsuit? They *clearly* use WP code… and don’t cite it anywhere, though WP allows that for personal use, this is a derivitive work, and required to give credit, right?

  3. Joe (13 comments.) says:

    Look it even says “Powered by Wordpess”:-) They they copy the about page from wordpress? And then the code? :-)

  4. Joe (13 comments.) says:

    Here take a look :

    “The following log contains a list of all key events in the project’s history, including the username of the person who made the changes, the date/time the change occurred, and a description of the change.

    [ 2006-03-28 – 03:00:00 – api-devlab ] BerliOS Project Approved
    [ 2006-03-27 – 10:00:00 – api-devlab ] Version > 2.0.2 > SP 0.2.2-alpha-2
    [ 2006-03-11 – 10:22:00 – api-devlab ] FreshMeat Project Approved
    [ 2006-03-11 – 03:00:00 – api-devlab ] Version > 2.0.2 > SP 0.2.2-alpha-1
    [ 2006-03-08 – 09:23:20 – api-devlab ] Version > 2.0.1-alpha-1 > SP 0.2.1-alpha-1
    [ 2006-01-10 – 11:18:20 – api-devlab ] Version Sync > WP 2.01 > SP 0.2.1
    [ 2005-12-05 – 13:22:29 – api-devlab ] Site Build > Version 1.1
    [ 2005-09-05 – 11:24:35 – api-devlab ] Version Sync > WP 1.5.1 > SP 0.1.5 rev170
    [ 2005-05-05 – 14:12:54 – api-devlab ] Site Build > Version 1.0
    [ 2005-03-05 – 16:24:42 – api-devlab ] Version Sync > WP 1.5 > SP 0.1.5
    [ 2005-03-05 – 14:48:20 – api-devlab ] V Hosts > http://www.skratchpad.org

    The SkratchPad project was approved on SourceForge 2005-03-04″
    Also on the codex page heling out with wordpress “api-devlab” signed up.

  5. Dr. Mike Wendell (3 comments.) says:

    It appears that they’re trying to put together a version of WordPress that already includes plugins and other options.

  6. api-devlab (7 comments.) says:

    Woah,
    Sorry but I was waiting for this type of response, where am I trying to rip off WP? I have made it clear that WP is derived/forked remixed etc from WordPress and have given credit both on my site and within the code, I also contribute to the WP site/docs etc.

    This is what GPL allows for if I have got it right as in ‘freedom’ I have also provided all the source code I have not in any way attempted to say I have created this from skratch. I have simply used it to create something thats a little different from the original.

    The code is GPL which means I can do this without any problems I am not trying to ‘pass off’ this as my own work, have any of you actually looked at the site of SF pages?

  7. Dr. Mike Wendell (3 comments.) says:

    I think the issue that they are raising is that they do not see anywhere on the homepage that you are forking WordPress. I understand GPL and understand where you are coming from. I think more notice of the fork though would be a good idea. :)

    Hey, I do webhosting over here. We have our own install of WordPress with 50 themes and about 3 dozen plugins pre-installed.

  8. api-devlab (7 comments.) says:

    Done, I think if people took a look at the Sourceforge description which clearly mentions WordPress they wouldn’t have this issue, I have now included it on the front page.

  9. api-devlab (7 comments.) says:

    You may be interested to know that I am about to release 0.2.2-alpha4 which icludes amongst other things tinyMCE 2.0.5 and some other little tweaks.

    The best bit is that it can be downloaded and distributed for free with no restrictions and it is now a step ahead of the current (release) WP

    So feel free to keep an eye out for it :-)

  10. Lara says:

    LOL @ “lawsuit” – do you people not know what a GPL is? Do you not understand the meaning of “open source”? He clearly states that it’s a forked version of WP, and is completely within legal rights to make modifications to ANY open source software as he sees fit. As long as he’s not out there trying to charge people for it, he’s not breaking any laws… and he’s not trying to charge people for it.

    I think I’m willing to bet that those charging “Sue ‘m!” are no doubt part of the lawsuit-happy American population. (And for the record, I’m 100% born and raised American… one who is completely tired of frivolous lawsuits in this damn country.) Shame on all of you for not doing your research prior to mocking him. You’re all WRONG.

  11. Lara says:

    LOL @ “lawsuit” – do you people not know what a GPL is? Do you not understand the meaning of “open source”? He clearly states that it’s a forked version of WP, and is completely within legal rights to make modifications to ANY open source software as he sees fit. As long as he’s not out there trying to charge people for it, he’s not breaking any laws… and he’s not trying to charge people for it.

    I think I’m willing to bet that those charging “Sue ‘m!” are no doubt part of the lawsuit-happy American population. (And for the record, I’m 100% born and raised American… one who is completely tired of frivolous lawsuits in this damn country.) Shame on all of you for not doing your research prior to mocking him. You’re all WRONG.

  12. api-devlab (7 comments.) says:

    Many thanks for the support. I dont think people have realised quite how much this has upset me, I have tried to go out of my way to ensure I clearly identified what it was, what mad it worse is the first I new of this was via WP Planet.

    If you see between the narrow minded points raised by some there is room for the view that I CHOOSE to fork WP not MoveableType, not Mambo, not pMachine. Plus you may have overlooked the fact that WP is a Fork of another well known blog….

  13. Joe (13 comments.) says:

    Hmm, sorry API-Dev Lab. :-(
    But for my comments, I never said anything about a lawsuit or any thing like that. I did my research but did not put it to good use. There’s a saying “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.” it’s a shame it’s not used much any more. :-) I seem to have been to quick to jump on about him copying wordpress then actually looking at the truth. Again sorry…

  14. api-devlab (7 comments.) says:

    Accepted, lets hope others see through the headline.

    BTW has anyone actually downloaded it and tried it?

    I would love to get feedback and the best people to use it are those from the Wp community.

    Like I said above I have a new version ready but will hold off a few days now :-(

  15. Dr. Mike Wendell (3 comments.) says:

    TinyMCE? *shudder*

  16. Joe (13 comments.) says:

    Again, sorry… I’ve tried it. Not bad. Can I suggest adding my plugin to the list of pre-installed plugins ? It’s Miniblog, I’m the new developer. (http://blog.fileville.net/?page_id=121)

  17. api-devlab (7 comments.) says:

    I’ll take a look, just so I know on your site this is the ‘Mostly Nothing’ Section?

    ala your todo list Widgets are next for me to so if I can help you I will

  18. Joe (13 comments.) says:

    Thank you. Actually I have not upgraded to my new version yet. I need to but my sever was down. :-)
    I think what you should probably add to the home page is something like “SkratchPad is not out break anyone’s WordPress experience.” Have you submitted most of the modifications to the WordPress code to WordPress it probably would make WordPress better too (that also may be better for you too. :-) !). Then you could add this “In fact, most of all the modifications have also been submitted to WordPress.”
    Hope this helps. That is all that this was supposed to do.

  19. Shanti Braford (5 comments.) says:

    api-devlab – I’m sorry you got jumped on so badly about this. Some people are quick to jump to conclusions.

    Though, it’s exactly the same reason why I haven’t tried to promote too much similar “meta” frameworks I’ve developed, mostly for persoanl use, on top of things like Ruby on Rails and WordPress.

    The creators of the apps/frameworks, often, I believe, would feel like you are trying to coast off all of their hard work, which really isn’t the goal of releasing such things. (that *is* after all the point of GPL, as those of you said above)

    – Shanti

    ps. if you are interested in a nice meta-collection of WP plugins, checkout WP Plugin Love:
    http://svn.menlopark2.com/svn/.....ve/latest/
    It uses svn:externals whenever possible to pull down the latest versions of certain plugins.

    Also, OT, but if you’re into Ruby on Rails, check out QuickStart Rails:
    http://quickstart-rails.menlopark2.com/

  20. Petit (4 comments.) says:

    No it isn’t.
    Try reading the documentation and the GPL first

  21. Petit (4 comments.) says:

    You may be a “computer guru”, but read the documentation.
    He clearly uses WP code, and he states that clearly.

  22. Petit (4 comments.) says:

    To be upset is quite human.

    Just don’t let it get to you. Take a step back and a deep breath.
    If people can’t read your references to WP, they are bad judges of the status of your work. Some are nice guys after all, just to fast to hit the submit button, and they come back to apologize. Others just don’t get it.

    Keep up your good work!
    /Petit

  23. api-devlab (7 comments.) says:

    Thanks for your post, live and learn me thinks. :-)

    Onwards anyway bugs await my attention but hope to have a newer version in the next couple of days.

    http://skratchpad.org/project/clearing-the-myth/

  24. Matt B. (13 comments.) says:

    Get real people. It’s just another fork of WP. Nothing to fuss about.
    Keep forking dude :)

  25. Computer Guru (13 comments.) says:

    My apologies, I hope you can forgive my hasty conclusion.

  26. Joe (13 comments.) says:

    Hay API dev lab,
    I think I started a trend. :-) Of saying sorry. :-)
    You said “I’ll take a look, just so I know on your site this is the ‘Mostly Nothing’ Section?
    ala your todo list Widgets are next for me to so if I can help you I will ” For the first question yes it is the mostly nothing section. If you would be willing to help with the Widgets part that would be great. Just post a comment any where on my blog if you do. Thanks… Oh and did you get my last comment? “Thank you. Actually I have not upgraded to my new version yet. I need to but my sever was down. :-)
    I think what you should probably add to the home page is something like “SkratchPad is not out break anyone’s WordPress experience.” Have you submitted most of the modifications to the WordPress code to WordPress it probably would make WordPress better too (that also may be better for you too. :-) !). Then you could add this “In fact, most of all the modifications have also been submitted to WordPress.”
    Hope this helps. That is all that this was supposed to do.”

  27. jp says:

    After digging around it appears the GPL has been honored. Seems from an outside perspective that someone in an around WP forgot that using their source for improvement is the ultimate flattery for our kind.

  28. skridge says:

    im amazed at the ignorance. well, not really amazed i guess, once again, the stupid people find the loud voice.

    science h logic ppl, learn wtf the gpl is, then stfu and diaf.



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